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{Dunda dun da… Babum babum bababum bumbabumba bababumbaba bumbum} The music starts and red lights appear in darkness, angles slowly revealing flickering words, and my heart grows fluttery.  This is my best description of an intro that I refuse to skip unless under duress.  Because it gives me a sense of the ride I’m starting on, of a story that feels somehow both intimate and distant, both like childhood and like falling up into the stars.

It’s really funny to me that the only two group-dynamics character spotlights I’ve fully done up to this point have been scary works (Marble Hornets and this), because that makes it seem like a large proportion of the things I watch are scary and Lovecraftian, which isn’t the case.  I do think H.P. Lovecraft was a boss, taking his INFP(ip) Great Pumpkin Distraction and turning it into a powerful catalyst: using the sheer terror that an IP feels at the all-consuming size of an endless cosmos, and turning it into a beautiful humility before a world outside of your control, bowing to the eternity that might otherwise have swallowed him whole.  That is an epic example of how to properly last-step, imo.

So yes, I do actually really love Lovecraft (and using the word “really,” you’ll find if you stick around for long).  But scary stuff… I’m usually “eh” about it at best. So I guess that’s why, when I find a work that truly encapsulates the awe that I believe reality has behind the curtain, while concurrently making me fall in love with characters that are so real and alive you never want to let them go, I just can’t help sharing the emotions that such works evoke in me.

Honestly, as I embark on this journey to convey the individuals I see when I watch Stranger Things, I find myself quite daunted.  There are just too many moments I care about, too many facial expressions that evoke more than I could ever say in a post, no matter how ridiculously long this one is sure to be.  I’d be terribly embarrassed if anyone could see my YouTube history of late, and how many times I listened to “Should I Stay or Should I Go” by the Clash, or interviews with the cast, etc. etc.  Because it comforts me, which is an odd thing to feel about a scary show, but it’s true.  The *people* of Stranger Things comfort me.

Because, sure, there’s the things everyone talks about—Eggos, walkie talkies, big hair, bikes, and Christmas lights—and I love all those things about Stranger Things, I do.  But those things would mean nothing without the people who make those things matter; the characters who make you laugh despite danger and cry because, it doesn’t matter if you never saw the 80s (I can claim 5 months and 5 days in the 80s) or if you don’t have supernatural predators stalking you, long before the journey is over you want these people to be your friends.

Guys, this show is beyond epic.

Before you embark on reading the ridiculously sized ode before you, however, let me give you the usual disclaimers.  Stranger Things is insanely popular at the moment, and while that’s not at all why I found the writing of this post to be worth close to eight months of time investment, I do anticipate that this will be many readers’ first stop on aLBoP.  That’s cool; obviously I’m not averse to an influx of readers because other people love Stranger Things too, however if this is your first time here, there are some things to know.

We are going to be talking about cognitive types and how the characters of Stranger Things think, as demonstrated by their choices, and I’m thrilled to be able to use our entire arsenal of people-tools, things covered in Cognition: The Super Simple Series and the Cognitive Orientation Guidebooks (COGs), as well as the new subtype post that I specifically wanted posted before this one, because subtypes play an important role in the show.  I’m really able to stretch my legs in this post by using all the information we’ve covered throughout the site to be able to explore and quantify how these characters think.  So with that in mind, if you don’t know what I’m talking about with different aLBoP terminology, don’t despair!  This is probably the most hyperlink-heavy post I’ve ever written, and you don’t have to understand every term and pattern in order to enjoy this post, imo.  (Or every reference.  We are, after all, total nerds.)

On the other hand, we are not MBTI. (That link is for our new aLBoP intro video, which we’re super proud of.  If you want to know what we’re about, watch that. Don’t worry, it’ll open in a new tab so you don’t lose your place. ?) Our letter and type definitions are totally different than basically anywhere else, as we have explained lots of places.  So can I please not get mouth-breathers leaving me comments that inform me that the all-knowing internet says I’ve typed everyone wrong according to crap definitions I’m not even using?!  Okay pumpkins?

What else was I going to disclaim?  Oh right!

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of Stranger Things up through Series 2, then go watch first and then come back, or risk having everything spoiled and having no clue what I’m talking about.  Plus, did you miss the part where it’s like the best thing ever? It’s like tooootally tubular!
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So, uh, this post ended up clocking in at 50,000 words.  For reference, that’s longer than The Great Gatsby.  Oops.

If you don’t want to read the whole post (which you don’t have to read all at once!), I’d recommend at least reading up through the Duffers, and reading the Conclusions section to see how I bring all the plethora of observations back together to sum up what makes the whole show so wonderful.

The 4Toi of Story

So Justin, my INFJ(ij), and I are major story geeks.  We love to talk about stories like math, a science as much as an art.  Holy crap, all the posts we’re dying to write on that subject, especially talking about the 4Toi of Story.

Five second version of the Four Types of Information (4Toi) is that it’s the basis of all of aLBoP and what makes us different from other personality/cognitive systems.  All information can be divided into one of four categories:

  • Principles & Trends (IJ)
  • Action & Consequences (EJ)
  • Data & Details (IP)
  • Observation & Motivations (EP)

While all of our minds use all four, the order in which our minds prioritize and process these Types of Information varies based on what is most important to us deep down.  These priorities are demonstrated by our every thought, every choice, and even manifest in the scaffolding of our faces from birth.

Yup, for real; you can read more about it in the Subtypes post.  (And for those strangely stubborn denizens of the internet who for some reason preemptively take issue with Facial Typing before, you know, actually hearing how it works, maybe take a daring chance and read about it?  Worth a try.)  Facial Typing is going to come up a lot in this post actually, because most of the cast of Stranger Things are the same cognitive types as the characters they play, which happens more than you might think in live action performances (and even more surprising, happens frequently in animation), but is still pretty awesome.

In addition to being found in the consistent patterns of how people think, the 4Toi are found throughout information and nature, helping us break down knowledge and intelligence into its component parts; for example the Four Types of Love.

So, without writing an entire post on the topic right here, the 4Toi of Story are as follows:

  • IJ: World, Themes, and Endings
  • EJ: Events, Plot, Conflict, and Continuity
  • IP: Ideas, Beginnings, Questions, and Details
  • EP: Characters, Character Development, and Character Themes

What does this long intro have to do with Stranger Things?  We want to get to the characters and their types!  *whines*

Well, although we naturally focus on and excel more easily at the Story Tois that match our favorite cognition steps, the best stories manage to balance all four.  And with an overly zoomed-in culture, EJ Event Story and IP Idea Story tend to get focused on more.  A story that nails both the IJ of World and Themes and IJ’s last step of EP Characters, that ever remains true to both its overarching message and the people who inhabit its world, is a rare gem.

And Stranger Things masters this balance with elegance, humor, and finesse that leave one feeling satisfied, excited, and touched, humbled and yet empowered, in ways that only an exquisite balance of all the Toi can.  Each Type of Information serves a special purpose within story, and it takes individuals who can see outside just their own favored Toi, to not leave any of those purposes neglected.

I believe that stories reflect the character of the authors, and Stranger Things is no exception.  Which leads me to our first typings.

~Type information glossary~
Person/Character name
TYPE(subtype)*
Approach to being Type Hero
Subtype’s Approach to Type Specialization
Quote illustrating character and cognition
Other examples of the same cognition, two real life examples and one fictional

*asterisk if Facial Typed correctly – ie. if the actor is the same type as the character, or for animated examples, if the character’s Facial Type matches real people of the same cognition.  Real people don’t need asterisks, as their face is already included in their cognitive type.

Creators — The Duffer Brothers


Ross Duffer
ESFP(ep)
The Natural Morale Officer
A Natural Approach to Enjoyable Reactions

“To us when it really comes down to it, it is just about these characters and even when there’s darkness, people leave the show feeling a bit of hope there.  [Things] in life get dark and they get scary.  I mean, maybe it’s not interdimensional monsters, but still for everyone I think it gets like that.  And good people can overcome that by working together.”
ESFP(ep) examples: Wernher Von Braun, Pablo Escobar, Tom Bombadil – The Lord of the Rings

Matt Duffer
INTJ(ij)
The Deliberate Dragon
A Deliberate Approach to Expectable Trends

“Everyone was really distraught, and it was very upsetting for everyone to watch, except me.
I guess I had a big smile on my face the whole time.  People started to wonder [if something was wrong with me].  I was enjoying watching a child in severe pain… [But] it was exactly how I wanted it to be.  Noah was crushing it.  Why wouldn’t I be smiling?”
INTJ(ij) examples: Steve Jobs, Emma Watson, Sauron – The Lord of the Rings

Can I just say how much it pleases me that the twin creators of Stranger Things are exactly opposite letters, down to the subtype?  Again, balanced Toi in works of fiction demonstrate great effort, and seeing outside of yourself, but I think we owe a massive part of that balance within Stranger Things to the equality of relationship and mutual respect shown in the Duffer Brothers’ awesome friendship.

“Opposite” types actually have a lot in common, and often a great camaraderie, but it still demonstrates appreciation of ways of thinking beyond one’s own to have such sympatico with opposite and balanced strengths.  And when we discovered the Duffers’ types, we had to smile because it just explains everything about the IJ/EP balance of Stranger Things.

It is such an INTJ show, with the joy it takes at swimming around in the zoomed-out scale of the numinous and keeps coming back to its themes with unyielding intentionality.  But it’s such an ESFP show too, giving us hope and safety by grounding us in the joy of people and how their struggles and tender moments make all the scope of the supernal matter.

ESFP(ep) is the Observation corner, embodying a love of who people already are, and finding methods to help them find joy through protecting what makes them, them.  And INTJ(ij) is, for lack of a better description, the power-collector, setting out to find new Principles to make the world produce the Useful Trends they want.

Being halfway between the two, as ENTP(ep), no wonder the show makes me giddy.  It champions the Individual (EP’s Scope), while encouraging each to turn their gaze higher (NT focusing on getting more Use, T, by adding new things, N), and to shoot for a larger world (IJ’s Scope), all the while still managing to keep us feeling safe (SF’s focus—protecting, S, Meaning, F).  Such an incredible balance of opposite Scopes and Objectives.

Honestly, I don’t know much about the Duffers personally, other than what I’ve gleaned from behind the scenes stuff (which makes them seem pretty awesome, imo).  But their work really speaks for itself about how they view both people and the universe.

It’s hard to find storytellers that you feel like you can truly trust, no matter how many episodes, novels, seasons, or sequels a story goes on for.  Often times it seems that stories have a half-life, where if creators are left to their own devices too long, their natural talents aren’t enough to carry a work through to the end with consistency of theme, characters, plot, and details.  Portrayals of beloved characters let us down, plots meander and lose focus on established goals, plot holes gape, and we begin to wonder if creators even know what they’re trying to say (or we feel bludgeoned by forceful “the world works this way” crap).

I believe a lot of this problem comes back to needing others to round out our own weaknesses, both cognitively and of life experience, but I also believe that where stories fall off the rails says a lot about the individuals steering them.  Crappy worldviews and motives can’t be hidden for long in story, as story, whether intended or not, is a thesis on how we believe the universe and people work.

So, while I could geek extensively on what mediums like Netflix have done for story—the benefits of longer stories released all at once, and what that does for cohesiveness of a story’s direction and message (giving us Netflix’s Daredevil too, which is another all-time fav)—I don’t think that’s all we have to thank for the exquisite consistency between Series 1 and Series 2 of Stranger Things.

Snatched this pic from Millie Bobby Brown (Eleven). I just think it’s so cute how Matt Duffer is wearing a “Hawkins Middle AV Club” shirt.

I trust the Duffer Brothers, and that’s not something I would say so carte blanche about most storymakers, in any medium.  But I think these guys, these twins who are relatively young in the film world, between my and Justin’s ages (although at 28 I’m feeling older all the time), honestly and truly understand story, people, and it seems the world as a whole, and why archetype matters.

By the end of Series 1, sure I was totally in love with the characters and couldn’t wait for more, but that’s the stage where so many stories tank.  They start with something classic, and then seem to forget the who, what, why, and how of why their story shined in the first place.  And Series 2 of Stranger Things didn’t do that; in my opinion it only shined brighter, with both the themes and characters being exactly what we fell in love with the first time around, only turned to 11.  (Eh, eh?  I know, I’m hilarious.)

My point is, that to have true consistency of story, you need consistency of creators, and that is what I believe we’ve found in the Duffer Brothers.  I trust them with Series 3 and beyond, as well as when they choose to stop, because I believe all their story decisions (and everything I’ve heard them say, and others say about them) demonstrate two individuals who know how to be better together, and show firm desire to portray truth in fiction, to display true Principles and thorough consistency of Individuals, no matter how surreal the circumstances.  And as an audience, that rings true for us, and keeps us coming back for more.

 

Which I think is a good place for us to turn to the meat of this post, the characters of Stranger Things.  These characters are everything we want in fictional people: total consistency while endlessly surprising us.

Now the interesting thing about people playing their own cognitive type, as so many in Stranger Things are, is that it does not mean that the actor is just playing themselves, or that the role isn’t a struggle.  In roles such as these, it means that the person is coming from the deeply personal place of bringing their own actual cognition and way of processing and approaching the world, and using it to get in the headspace of a person who has been through vastly different life experiences than they have, who’s been through different pains with a different background.

All the INTJs

Justin likes to joke that all four INTJ subtypes are in this show, which is really only true if you count Matt Duffer, lol.  But it is a really great way to see subtypes in practice, comparing the INTJs of Stranger Things.  And it also pleases me that not *one* of them is a villain.  Take that internet typing.  Okay, well fine, there’s one farther down our list.  But just one!

Eleven - INTJ(ej)

Eleven
INTJ(ej)*
The Supercharged Dragon
A Supercharged Approach to Expectable Trends
“Mike, I’m sorry…  The gate, I opened it.  I’m the monster.”
INTJ(ej) examples: Natalie Portman, Henry Ford, Queen Elsa* – Frozen

Eleven is everything that makes paradoxes wonderful.  She’s intelligent and wise, but has the vocabulary and experience of a toddler when interacting with most civilization.  She has the weight of the world on her shoulders, but she still gets excited about Eggos, romantic TV, and Trick or Treating.  She’s a death ray who worries she’s not pretty enough.

She speaks to the contrasting sides in all of us.  Even if we don’t have supernatural powers, we each have areas where we feel strong and ready to kick butt, and areas where we feel small and vulnerable and need others to help us make it through.  Basically, we all have areas where we can save others, and we all have areas where we need them to save us.

I’ve seen criticism around the internet about S2E7, “Lost Sister,” where Eleven takes her rebellious coming-of-age adventure to Chicago, right in the middle of the action back home.  Complaints about the episode disrupting the pacing, or separating Eleven so she couldn’t bounce off the rest of the characters, have seemed to be frequent. I’ve even seen several speculate that Kali’s gang was brought to the forefront for pure spin-off potential.  I think all of these opinions miss the mark on not only Eleven’s walkabout episode, but on her entire character arc.

By the end of S1, we saw how epic both Eleven and her abilities were.  Her ability to take down the Demogorgon when literally no one else could, not even swarms of armed men with guns, or lighting it on fire, demonstrated her as-yet unparalleled strength.  Even before that, we saw Eleven levitate Mike in order to save his life and even flip a frickin van over their heads.

By the time S2 begins, we’re not on the edge of our seats wondering if El can handle herself, physically.  Therefore, that’s not the challenge that El needs to face, going into S2. In fact there are so many reasons that Eleven’s journey in S2 can’t just be coming back with nosebleed-vengeance after five minutes in the Upside Down and juggling demodogs with her mind.  Besides not being a challenge that would grow her in any significant way, it would undermine her heartfelt sacrifice in S1.  It would undermine Mike’s pain at her loss (although he would want to punch me in the stomach for saying his missing her was necessary).  And it would take away everyone else’s opportunities to have to handle things without her.

But those are just extra reasons that Eleven’s character arc requires isolation in S2.  The main reason that Eleven couldn’t be out kicking evil puppies is the classic Spider-trope:  With great power comes great responsibility.  Responsibility that, as good as Eleven is, she had not learned yet as a teenager, especially raised as she was.  Eleven’s story is really a superhero story.  And in the absence of Kryptonite (which can really undermine your hero) or an Achilles’ heel, how do you make a superhero story challenging?  How do you hamper someone with supernatural powers without literally hampering their supernatural powers?

That’s right, you give them internal struggles instead.  I mean, honestly without internal struggles, external ones are pretty pointless for any protagonist, but especially for supernaturally strong ones.

Eleven’s entire journey so far has been trying to figure out what “home” is and how her home defines her as a person.  Over and over again, people tell Eleven to find home with them, but she has to figure out for herself what home even means, and let herself see that she’s the kind of person that deserves one.

Let’s trace this internal evolution in Eleven, learning to define home, starting with the first time we see her.

When Eleven steals from Benny, she’s not looking for home, as such; she’s just trying to survive her first time outside the lab.  She doesn’t even seem to know what a “name” is.  She’s just the number on her wrist, just 011.

But Benny Hammond, in his ISTP(ep)* utter realness, gently breaks down her barriers a little, and gives her a proto-home with things like smiles, loving consequences in the form of food and ice-cream for working with him and answering his questions, and even a comfy t-shirt instead of her lab clothes of hospital gowns and deprivation tank harnesses.  It’s the warmest she’s ever been treated, and makes a lasting impression on her, even though that very first true “home” experience only lasts a matter of hours.

So when Mike asks for her name, because of her interaction with Benny, Eleven not only now knows that the-title-that-defines-her is what Mike is asking for, but she wants to tell him, to trust him, immediately showing him her wrist tattoo.  She wants to feel that safe feeling again, like she did in that fleeting time with Benny.

And right from the beginning, Mike makes her feel safe and wanted, like so much more than a weapon or a number.  I don’t think she would have been so quick to show Dustin her tattoo, and certainly not Lucas, who questions her every motive.

Right away, Mike sees her as both a person and a girl, two things she’s never been allowed to be.  She’s never even been allowed the right of physical privacy, as demonstrated by her willingness to strip, which makes the boys panic.  And the way Eleven’s face lights up with hope and surprise when Mike nicknames her “El,” it’s like the first time she’s been allowed to have her own identity her entire life.

Newly christened El.  Holy crap, could she be more adorable??

But El also feels dangerous, especially after what happened to Benny.  

We’re going to be talking about Type Angsts a lot in this post, and basically what a Type Angst is, is the core fear that comes part and parcel with a cognitive type’s strengths and weaknesses, and different ways that individuals cope with their cognition’s core fear.  They stem from the later half of our cognition process, where we feel the weakest and most vulnerable, since it’s the lowest priority for our minds.  We naturally fear that the areas where we struggle will keep us from succeeding in our most beloved pursuits.

IJs struggle most with Observation and Motives, and Observation starts with oneself, and so IJ Type Angsts all center on feeling like their selfness isn’t truly known or wanted.  And Universal NTs (INTJ and ENTP) fear they aren’t conventional enough (ST – established use).  So this combination means that INTJs fear that their Motives and what defines them as a person, are just too intense, too turbulent.

And INTJ’s Type Specialization is knowing how to use Principles to get exactly the desired useful result they want, on a huge scale.  INTJs know exactly how to get the World to wiggle the way they want, able to predict through useful concept (NT) how choices will set up large-scale trajectories or Trends, which (like all Type Specializations) is really awesome.

But that means that INTJs feel their ability to control very ardently.  All IJs tend to feel like if they don’t do something, it won’t get done, but INTJs tend to feel this most of all.  Once a person feels like they can change the trajectory of how things will unfold, it’s a natural progression to feel responsible for how things will unfold, to feel like if they don’t go 100% to plan, then it’s 100% your fault.

That is INTJ’s Type Angst, lovingly nicknamed “Anakin Angst” for the distress that caused Darth Vader: INTJ’s fear that everything is their fault.  (I won’t go through the in-depth formulas for each Type Angst as we go through this post, but hopefully that gives you a taste of what forms a Type Angst, in case this is your first intro to them.)  And each INTJ subtype deals with this fear a little differently, as we’ll explore as we continue to talk about the INTJs of Stranger Things.

Eleven knows and is pleased with her own power.  Her handling of the annoying fan at Benny’s, stopping it with her mind like she was waving away a pesky fly, her unimpressed reaction to Mike’s description of Yoda’s powers, and her refusal to levitate the Millennium Falcon model just because Dustin tells her to, all show us that she knows what she can do, is proud of it, but also doesn’t feel the need to flaunt it.  She feels capable, useful, and independent in her Actions.

But when things go wrong, like when Benny is shot, we see Eleven’s panic.  When she tells Mike about the “bad men,” we see the far-off scared in her eyes.  She feels a looming danger following her, watching for her to slip up, like the very person she is isn’t ST practical.  Even with all her power, she fears its limits.  What if she can’t control things sufficiently to protect the people she loves, the growing family and home that she’ll give anything to keep safe?  Can all her abilities actually be of practical benefit to the people she loves?

She’s proud of her power, but is it ST Practical enough to actually keep people safe, here and now?  Is it any more useful than a freaky sort of parlor trick?  Or worse, do her powers themselves endanger those she cares about?

When Lucas calls Eleven a weirdo and a freak, it feeds into the fear that she already has, that everything is her fault and that she only brings destruction.  It only reaffirms to her that, for all her powers, they aren’t practical (which Lucas specializes in and excels at as an ST); they’re just “weird.”

But maybe, maybe if she can use her powers to keep people safe, to make them happy in their lives, then maybe she can have a practical use after all?  Maybe the world will actually be better because of her being in it, not worse.  Then maybe she won’t be a monster, maybe then she’ll even have a home.

But she fears that if anything bad happens to anyone she cares about, it must be because she was just too much monster, and too little friend.  She fears she’s just a broken weapon, just not right.

A phrase that comes up recurrently with Eleven is “What is wrong with you?!”

Lucas says this sentiment often in S1, which obviously hurts Eleven, but when Mike yells it at her after they find Will’s “body,” that sticks with her much harder.  If the only person who has ever truly seen her believes something is broken inside her, then maybe she really is.  So that hurts, but she knows she’s not lying, knows Will is still really out there, so she keeps at it with the walkie talkie and shows Mike the truth.

But as soon as the boys find out that there’s a Gate to the Upside Down, you can see El’s panic.  She tries to steer them away from the Gate that she knows exists, that she believes is entirely her fault to have opened, that she is the monster that escaped from the lab (which Lucas affirms to her).  She wants to protect them from the thing most out of her control: her own selfness.  When Eleven says “it isn’t safe” with tears in her eyes, I think what she’s really saying is “I’m not safe, and I should really leave you to protect you, but I don’t want to be alone, so instead I’ve been hoping to just protect you from what I am and what I’ve done.”

So then when Lucas is saying things about Eleven that she’s terrified are true, that she’s a liar and a traitor… and a monster, and Mike and Lucas start fighting, she panics and throws Lucas backward.  She’s clearly stunned by what she’s done and Mike says it again, much more intensely this time:  “What is wrong with you?!”

Eleven no longer has the comfort of just hoping that if she gives Mike more information, then he’ll no longer blame her.  She has more information, and that information makes her feel like a freak who opened the Gate and started it all.  So she leaves, and becomes home-less and alone, once again.

I find Eleven’s relationship to Nancy all the more potent and sad, given that Nancy is another of Stranger Things’ INTJs.  Every time Nancy comes up in S1, we can see Eleven’s longing.  When she calls Nancy “pretty” or explores her room, we can see Eleven mourning the life she might have had, were she allowed to grow up as a normally precocious INTJ girl, instead of a weapon and lab experiment.  When Eleven wears Nancy’s old dress, makeup, and wig out into the world, and feels “pretty… good” for the first time, it’s like she’s dressing up in Nancy’s younger, carefree life in a way, able to blend in with other kids and be out and see the world.  But then when her wig gets crumpled and her face all dirty, it makes her feel like she was only pretending to be anything besides a weirdo, a weapon, and a monster.  That earns a supersonic yell, I think.

Hungry, and still wishing she were like any other girl, Eleven ventures into town for food.  She’s so sick of being stared at like a freak, so tired of scientists in the past and now the people of Hawkins looking at her like something behind a “Please Don’t Tap the Glass” sign.  So by the time she calls the grocery store manager “mouth-breather,” she’s so done pretending to be normal and mundane, because clearly it wasn’t working anyway.  She smashes the doors, and strides out into the sunlight to go be alone with her Eggos in peace.  Might as well be singing “Let it Go.”

Let Eggo, Let Eggo

But as much as she wants to pretend that she and the Eggos can live a happy life frolicking in the forest together, when she hears Mike calling her name, she follows.  Maybe he does really care and want her, even if she’s a freak; it’s worth watching and seeing anyway.  And so she’s there to save his body, and he’s there to save her heart, to let her know that her intentions make her the hero, not the villain.

That episode is “The Monster” with the double-meaning of learning more about the Demogorgon, and Eleven’s reveal to the boys about why she’s sure she’s the monster.  (Maybe a triple meaning, with us finding out more about what made Brenner a monster.)

When they get back to the house, for a very brief respite, Mike tries to convey how much having her back means to him:

Mike: “I’m happy you’re home.”
El: “Me too.”

This is the first time the actual word “home” comes up with El, and this shows how easily she’s identifying being with Mike as equalling home.

Joyce serves as Eleven’s first mother-figure, and she’s not used to anyone telling her that it’s okay for her to be a little girl and be scared, even that it’s okay to say “Stop, I’m done!” when the things she sees with her powers are too scary.  And when Eleven is in the bathtub and it does get too scary, she’s certainly not used to someone reaching out to her, through the darkness and loneliness, and saying that she’s safe.  That’s something “Papa” certainly never did for her.

Anyway, there are all these contributing factors to Eleven discovering in S1 that she deserves to feel safe and loved and to have a home, climaxing I feel with Mike telling her his sweet idyllic version of how their lives can be once the conflict is resolved, together.  He paints a beautiful picture of the home he wants to offer her, capstoned by the idea of their attending the Snow Ball together, and sealed with the most precious little kiss that is more of a promise to Eleven than any words he could say.

Which makes it mean so much more when Eleven sacrifices everything in order to save Mike and Dustin and Lucas, and really everyone who would eventually have been affected by the Demogorgon.  Eleven sacrificed the only real home she had ever known, for the sake of that home existing without her.

Even right before, as she lies drained and Mike tries to reassure her that she can still have a home, still have a happy future, you can tell her plea of “Promise?” feels little hope.  Maybe a home where she could be loved as “El” instead of a number was too good to be true, as she sees it fading away like a vision in the bath.

And so while Eleven didn’t sacrifice her life itself, as so many of us feared (perhaps until Hopper placed the Eggos in the woods), she did sacrifice everything that had ever made her life matter, only to end up alone and without home, once again.

We see in the flashback in S2 that when Eleven woke up in the Upside Down, well firstly she called Mike’s name (?), but then the first thing she did once she was out was to try and go home, to try and go back to Mike and all her friends, and her Eggos and her blanket fort, only to find out that they had been infiltrated by the danger that had hounded her her whole life.  It seemed that Eleven would both never be truly free of the lab, and never really have a home, as much as Mike had finally shown her she had a right to one, that she was worthy of a home.

Hunted, scared, and hungry, it’s unclear how long Eleven lived in the woods eating squirrels, but it was long enough for her to grow skittish again, like an abused animal that found love, only to be beaten once more.  She’s scared enough to throw flaming squirrels at strangers, rather than attempt to talk her way out of things.  (And now I have “Don’t take candy from a Stranger, Things like that could lead to danger” stuck in my head.  Thanks a lot, Bad Lip Reading.)

She reacts so much like a scared animal when she finds the food that Hopper left her, including Eggos signaling that he hopes she’s out there.  She watches him from a distance, scared to trust, until finally it seems she works up enough courage to hope that “her policeman” can lead her to some semblance of safety again.

And Hopper does truly care, and sets out to be a true, permanent home for Eleven, though he feels inadequate to provide her with one (although we’ll get into that more in the Hopper section).  But he tries his best with things like Jim Croce, trip wires, and getting her to eat peas.  And most of all, he loves her, and they both begin to fill holes in the other one’s heart.

Okay, I don’t have a good segue for this next set of thoughts, so just pretend I did, alright?

It says a lot about Eleven’s relationships in Hawkins Lab, how she interacts with the boys at first, and “mouth-breathers” in general.  Even though she didn’t have the word before, it’s clear that she was used to obeying Papa, but that the way she was raised did teach her that most people have lesser intelligences than hers, sort of servants to plans like Papa’s, and Papa taught her that they were expendable.  People have to earn Eleven’s respect before she deems them worth a second glance.  Which, while condescending, is adorably Eleven, and part of what we love about her, and many of us might wish we could emulate a little better, not wasting time or emotional energy on people who far from earn our attention.  But really, that’s not just how Eleven was raised, that’s also just INTJ (especially (j) subs), used to steering their Principle-based plans around people who get in the way…and maybe a little jaded about people not understanding the potential of their world-scale vision.

But in a way, Hopper is right when he’s angry; Eleven can be a little bit of a brat.  (For the record, so can Hopper…)  But for so long Eleven only had two extremes: either submit entirely, with your will mattering not at all, or take what you want, by force.  She was rewarded for force, treated like a precious weapon.

In a weird, tragic way, Eleven has been taught that being forceful is how you show love.  By being impressively powerful, the people you love are proud of you, and by applying your power to something for them, you show you’re on their side.  And she believed Dr. Brenner loved her, so if he was that forceful to her, maybe that shows love, in Eleven’s consciousness.

Eleven’s last step of character judgment is always her greatest liability in the story, and she struggles over and over again with who to trust.  Which makes it all the more impressive that somehow Eleven, when the lab is all she’s ever known, is willing to listen to her first step of Principles enough to let it show her that even Papa is “bad.”  Without ever being told, in fact always being told the opposite, Eleven realizes that hurting innocent living creatures is wrong.  She won’t hurt a cat on command, even when she’s so powerful to defend herself.  And even though we don’t see her escape out the Hawkins Lab pipe, it’s clear that by the time she runs away, she’s beginning to realize something is very wrong with the Lab’s sense of morality.  Her Principles tell her that good and bad exist outside of what the people around her are saying.  Principles tell her that there’s a world outside of Hawkins Lab that exists on its own, with truth that no one, not even scientists with a big government budget, can change.

Maybe at first she’s just scared, just knows she has to get out of there, but once Benny gets shot, there’s no question in her mind: these are bad people.  I think it really takes until the end of S1 for her to apply that term to Papa and his choices, and even afterward she still dithers on his character.  But Eleven demonstrates great bravery in her last step (which is what last steps call for) in that she is willing to see people for who they are, even when what she sees is terrifying.

It’s something we all need to look at in our lives, even if we weren’t raised in a government lab where we didn’t even know the definition of the word “friend.”  We have to examine our own environments, our own microcultures, and see where they don’t hold up as much as we always believed.  We have to see where the people we care about the very most can be terribly wrong, to the detriment of everything we hold dear.  We have to examine our own beliefs and those of our best friends and the ones who make us feel safe, and sometimes we have to realize that the things that we thought made us safe were actually “bad.”  But once we do that, then we can really come to understand the world outside of just what we’re used to, and look up and truly see the stars for the first time.

It’s easy to look at someone else’s life, from the outside, and say, “What that person has been taught is so wrong.  How can they think that way?  How can they not reject something so stupid/mean/narrow/dangerous?” etc, etc.  But it’s much harder to look at the same things we’ve been blind to in our own lives.  It’s like those Febreeze commercials where you don’t know how bad your house smells because you live in it all the time.  Or how it’s harder for us to observe certain things about the Milky Way than other galaxies, because we’re inside it.  And it can come back to that whole “mote in your eye” thing; sometimes we focus so much on the piece of lint blinding the other guy, and we fail to notice the tractor trailer sticking out of our own ocular.  Actually, a big purpose of aLBoP is to help people see themselves and their environments correctly, for good and for bad.  And we’ve seen it help people examine the things they took for granted, over and over, but that still never makes it easy.  Realizing you’ve been wrong sucks, but for most of us, realizing the people you love are wrong is even harder.

So let us appreciate how epic Eleven is, because recognizing all the ways our environment teaches us things that don’t line up with reality is excruciatingly difficult, no matter your age, let alone when you’re 11 (actually, I think she’s supposed to be 12 in S1, but I had to make the joke).

But Eleven doesn’t understand what makes Hopper different from Dr. Brenner, she doesn’t understand how very different their motives are.  And because she doesn’t understand him, Hopper makes a great scapegoat antagonist for the journey Eleven needs in S2.  Hopper being the private INTJ(ip) he is, doesn’t make it any easier to know his motives, concealing from her the very reason he feels so protective: fear of losing her like he lost his birth daughter.

With Eleven’s mind on missing Mike, she watches Frankenstein on TV, where a little girl shows the monster her flower, treating him like a person and showing compassion and the things she cares about.  The parallel is subtle and sweet, but clearly Eleven is relating to the monster, and Mike is her little girl (okay, maybe I just wanted to say it that way, for reasons).  She feels like he saw through her monstrocity to the person she was, and even though she has felt home and safe with Hopper in many ways, she’s still missing her first home of Mike.

She checks in with him every day, and sees that he’s still thinking of her, still trying to contact her.  She tries to get Hopper to let her go to Mike, even if it’s just as a ghost on Halloween.  But he’s getting sadder, giving up hope; she feels like she needs to see him before it’s too late.  She tries to “com-promise” with Hopper, but then when he breaks his Halloween promise (and doesn’t trust her enough to explain why, in attempts to keep her safe), she begins doubting that he’ll ever let her go see Mike.  If it’s a choice between her new home and her first home, there’s no hesitation for El: she wants Mike and all the freedom and self-ness he meant to her.

But when she “sneaks,” not so sneakily, out to see Mike, it seems she is too late, and her home has moved on.  To see Mike smiling at another girl, as if she never existed, breaks Eleven’s heart.  And knocking Max flat on her back doesn’t heal the pain and loneliness that Eleven finds herself consumed by.

As she heads home, I think she feels stupid already, and then an angry (read: panicking) Hopper rubs her face in it.

But Eleven isn’t just being a brat who wants to watch TV.  The TV is her only tie to the outside world, not just with programming, but even more so as she uses it as her new “Bathtub” to reach people she could otherwise only imagine… like Mike who she’s not even sure cares anymore.

Without the TV, Eleven feels like her autonomy is gone, like she might as well be back in the lab where she got thrown in closets for not making the decisions Papa wanted her to make.  She makes the correlation, saying Hopper is just the same as Brenner, and uses her powers against him, refusing to be coerced anymore.

Hopper, hurt, betrayed, and terrified, lashes out back and their fight escalates.  Now, after all this time, Hopper yells the dreaded words that Eleven had seemed to escape: “What is wrong with you?!?”

Cornered, trapped, and alone as she’s felt her entire life, Eleven screams and the world around shatters.  Well, the windows, but that’s how it feels.

Every time I watch, it strikes me how close Hopper comes to apologizing the next morning, to approaching her softly, to telling her he cares.  But honestly they’re both too proud at that point, neither letting themselves see the other’s point of view.

Eleven almost surrenders a little too, starting to clean up… until she sees the files demonstrating how much else Hopper didn’t trust her with.

But by this point, Eleven has come to believe that she deserves a home; she knows herself that well at least.  I believe her thought process is, “Fine. If Mike doesn’t want me, and Hopper doesn’t like me, then I will find better.  Maybe Mama will want me!” and I think that’s what begins her voyage through “Lost Sister.”

Unlike others, I like how “Lost Sister” puts an abrupt hold on the rest of the story, cliffhanging the Hawkins Lab catastrophe while Eleven is completely unaware of it.  It’s like how in the novels of The Lord of the Rings, Tolkien had long periods of time where subplots weren’t intermixed.  Frodo and Sam don’t know what’s happening with Rohan or Gondor, they’re just plodding along trying to do their best with little hope.  As a reader, that makes us feel isolated along with them, making everything feel more dire.

While I think it was better for the LotR films that the subplots be concurrent, I think the effect works for “Lost Sister.”  I mean, it’s not a big reveal that Eleven can save the day; the reveal is the emotional journey that will get her back to Hawkins, in the right headspace, in the nick of time.  And in stories when we’re shown as an audience what’s going on meanwhile in subplots, it’s easy to roll our eyes at characters and say “she should know better” (apparently that theme is coming up a lot with Eleven, lol).

Frustrated, feeling like if no one will give her a home she must take it, and trying to discover who she even is, Eleven leaves Hawkins and tries on “Jane” for the first time.

Because what is a home?  Because surely our unconscious definition is more than just a place where you sleep and eat.  I think a true home is a place where you feel safe, but not just that either.  A home is where you feel known and like you can be yourself; a place where, whether you’re happy, sad, scared, or angry, you are known for your true character and motives.  That’s why, when we feel like we don’t have people to give that to us in our lives, sometimes we feel the most at home when we’re alone, because then everyone present understands us.  I know I’ve felt that way, although thankfully not anymore, not for a long time now.

“Jane” hopes she’ll be better known at her Aunt Becky’s, where she has roots, a full past—an origin story if you will.  And she mourns the life of the normal little girl she could have been, had Mama been allowed to mother her.  But she doesn’t feel known by Becky.  And her Mama, though still strong inside, can’t help her.

ISTP(ip)* Becky offers her a home, but as we saw in S1, Becky has a strong Type Angst of Snape Superiority (which we’ll talk about more in the Jonathan section), and doesn’t accept things outside her previous experience unless they’re proven to her.  She rejects Eleven before she even has a foot in the door, until that door is forced open.  And even once Becky accepts Jane as the long-imagined “make believe” daughter of her sister, she determinedly wants Eleven to be normal.  But Eleven isn’t a normal girl; that ship sailed long ago.  Eleven does try to just be normal, to just have a normal home with a bedroom and family, but she doesn’t even really know how.  Eleven’s “weirdness” is part of who she is.  She doesn’t even consider pretending that Mama isn’t trying to talk to her through the lights.  She doesn’t even consider just ignoring it, so she can try to have a normal life.

Eleven knows that her powers are a part of her, and she is done trying to hide that in Hopper’s cabin.  She sought out her Mama in an effort to find someone who actually wanted her, the real her, not some domesticated half-happy half-version of herself.  So she’s crushed when she finds that her Mama can’t be a mother for her, can’t take care of her.  But when Mama sends her to go find the other little girl from the rainbow room, Eleven leaps at the quest, not to leave her Mama, but because she knows her Mama understands her, and she trusts to go where Mama directs her.

She’s been alone in the forest, stifled with Hopper, and unaccepted by Aunt Becky’s tiny worldview.  Eleven can’t wish her history away, make herself not “wrong” inside, so maybe her home is with the outcasts instead, other people rejected by normalcy.  Surely this other girl, who went through the same torment Eleven did, surely this girl will accept her!  Surely she’ll be a home.

When El arrives in the big city, she’s utterly unafraid of the attempted intimidation from Axel (ESFJ(ej)*), intent on finding the one person who might want her for who she is, and she doesn’t really see him as any more dangerous than Troy, the middle school bully whose arm she broke with ease.  And then how does the girl she was sent to find greet her?  With a hug, and accepting her as a sister.  Finally, El hopes she’s found a home, a place where she can really be herself.

And she clings to this hope for a home with such tenacity, such dedication, that she quickly starts subverting other parts of herself.  Eleven was so afraid of being rejected for being too weird, but now Kali’s gang is making her reject the parts of herself that seem too normal.  But El is both; that’s why we love her, she’s a walking contrast.

So it’s exciting to see El open up to her power, to explore these untapped sides of herself, but at the same time it feels… off.  In the process of finding herself, she’s in danger of losing the parts of herself that she took for granted.

This is a danger we all face, whenever we get too focused on defining who we are.

There is a tremendous difference between accepting ourselves and defining ourselves.  When we accept ourselves, we accept our own past, our own failings, and our own limitless potential to become anything, good or bad.  We take responsibility for our capacity to fall, as well as taking charge of our ability to grow.  When we accept ourselves, we let ourselves be complex, even contradictory, and we let ourselves have a right to change, to be whoever we may grow to want to be.  We let ourselves surprise ourselves.

By contrast, when we try to define ourselves, as thirteen year-olds of all ages are often tempted to do, we limit ourselves.  We insist “This is who I am! …no wait, now this!  No okay, this time for sure, this thing is who I am!”  We put ourselves into self-limiting, and hence self-defeating little boxes.  We hide behind labels, such as “outcast” or “rebel,” “misunderstood,” “popular,” or “free thinker,” etc, etc, etc.  And in doing so, we reject the complexity and contradictions that make humanity shine.

And we may try to escape, rewrite, or sneer at our own past selves.  In order to attempt to prove that our latest impassioned defining of ourselves is our real, true self, we have to disown every part of our past, our hopes, our quirks, and our secret desires and fears that don’t happen to fit our narrow mold for ourselves.

“Jane” thinks she’s found freedom by releasing the parts of herself that Hopper, in his well-meaning fear, had made her keep hidden.  She needs to let go, to let loose, to let out all her bottled-up feels that have stood in the way of her accepting herself.  And when she releases her “conceal don’t feel” barriers and moves a whole train car, it’s a massive turning point in her coming-of-age journey.

But Kali, like so many people in our own lives, doesn’t want the whole Eleven.  She wants only the new parts, the power and the rage.  And so El has to make a choice.  Does she care more about pleasing these new friends, or about accepting herself—her *whole* self, including the parts of her that her new friends say are weak, childish, and naive?

Kali attempts to use the memory of Dr. Brenner as a monster to scare Jane into seeking vengeance, but instead it causes El to finally face her past.  She doesn’t need to try to erase her past by erasing the people who made it awful; she can accept even Papa’s evil as part of the long, dangerous, heart-wrenching path that led her to the person she has become.

When Eleven finally understands—and accepts—her whole self, she no longer has to desperately seek a home.  She no longer has to constantly look to others to accept her.  El is home now, wherever she goes, because she knows who she is.  So when she replies to Kali’s self-serving mantra, “They can’t save you, Jane!” with, “No. But I can save them,” it’s a fist-pump worthy one-liner that encapsulates the whole of who Eleven is:  She’s a hero, someone who is ready to give of herself to help the people she loves.

She’s ready now to completely forgive Hopper, because she no longer views him as a threat to her acceptance of herself.  She’s ready to see Mike again without needing him as an emotional crutch, because she doesn’t need any crutch anymore.  She might even be ready to face Papa again, with fury yet without fear, were it necessary.  And she is ready to have a kick-butt showdown with a self-serving, self-obsessed smoke monster.  She couldn’t find a full home with others until she was at home with herself.  Through her walkabout, separated from the people in her life who truly want her for the whole person she is, she’s finally ready to go home and give them her whole self, nothing held back.  Slick hair included.

“I’m going home.”

An awesome ESFP(ij) (like Dustin) once told me this essential piece of wisdom:  Don’t prioritize people unless they 1) love you 2) want you 3) need you.  All three.  Even two out of three isn’t good enough.

Because people can love you but not want you—all of you, not just picking and choosing.

We often quote Hiccup (INFJ(ij)*) from How to Train Your Dragon, “You just gestured to all of me!”  Stoick, his ENTP(ej)* father loves Hiccup, but doesn’t want him, for who he is.  (Interestingly, Hiccup and Stoick are the same types as Will and Lonnie… however I’d venture to say that Lonnie doesn’t even love Will, let alone want him.)

And people can want who you are, and need you, but not love you.  This often happens in unbalanced relationships.  Someone can want to be around you and even need your help navigating life, but not really care about your needs as a person with true compassion.

And if people both love you and want you for who you are, then awesome!  But if they don’t need you, then there are sure to be other people who do need you and those who don’t need you should be placed on the back burner.

How much I feel like that ESFP intelligence could have helped Eleven throughout her journey.

Becky doesn’t really need Eleven, okay with her world not extending beyond her experience.  Kali and her gang need Eleven, but don’t really want her to be herself and have her own perspective on right and wrong.  And even though I believe Kali actually does love “Jane,” she has so much hate, that love gets far overshadowed.

And Hopper does truly love “Ellie” and wants her for all of her, but he struggles to let himself need her, as I’ll talk about far more in his section.  But he comes to realize how much he does need her, just in time for Eleven to realize how much her true home belongs with her friends, the only people who want, need, and love her, all at once.  Just in time for her to save everyone.

She started her journey being treated as a mere number, just 011.  But then she did find selfness, belonging as Eleven, as El with Mike and her friends in Hawkins, a side of her she almost forgets along her journey.  When she fears rejection in her original home, she tries to reset and be Jane, the girl she would have been without Hawkins Lab, without her past, without her pain and her weirdness.  But she’s not really that person either.  With Kali’s gang, she’s “Jane” again, still attempting to reset her past, this time not for normalcy, but to say, “this is the person I should have been, if the bad men hadn’t tried to take that away.”  She tries to destroy them with the very powers they gave her.  But she discovers that’s not really her either.

El, unlike 011 or Jane, is strong, but she’s also soft.  She knows how to be tender and she lets her past be a part of who she is.  She’s the kind of person who saves people with her powers, instead of being driven by hatred and destruction.

So Eleven’s climactic trial at the end of S2 does require her to be stronger than ever.  But in order to heal the rift in Hawkins, she has to first heal the rift in herself.  Her past is festering within her, and she must go back to the place where all the pain originated, where she was taught that she was nothing but a number, a weapon, a tool, where her will was never truly her own.  But this time she’s not alone.  She’s not unloved, unknown, or unwanted, any longer.  So for the first time ever, she takes her home with her into Hawkins Lab, and is able to seal up the breach in both Hawkins and her heart.  And Eleven is made whole for the very first time.

Chief Jim Hopper
INTJ(ip)*
The Comfortable Dragon
A Comfortable Approach to Expectable Trends
“Listen to me.  I’m gonna find him.  All right? You’ve got to trust me on this.
I am going to find him.”
INTJ(ip) examples: Harrison Ford, JRR Tolkien, Princess Luna* – My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic

For all his many flaws, Chief Jim Hopper immediately draws us in.  His quirks, his dad-bod, his chill-and-yet-not approach to the whole world, from the moment he brushes his teeth and then immediately smokes and drinks a beer, Jim Hopper is genuine in a way that he himself clearly doesn’t understand.

We see quickly how smart Hopper really is.  How fast he realizes what’s not right in the case of Will Byers missing, how the pieces don’t add up, the Sherlock of the show both seasons (with the same cognition as BBC’s Sherlock).  How he adapts to changes as the case opens up, knows what to do when he needs to get in somewhere or when he’s in peril; all these things show how much quick thinking is going on inside Jim Hopper’s mind.

So how can the same man whose mantra to Eleven is “We don’t take risks.  They’re stupid, and we’re not stupid,” go take insane risks, like punching state troopers, breaking into Hawkins Lab, or going into an infested, sentient hole in the ground without any backup whatsoever?

For such a smart guy, Jim Hopper sure is an idiot.  Does that make him inconsistent?  No, because the ways that Jim Hopper is really truly stupid, are very INTJ(ip).

Because Hopper only considers risks to be stupid if they’re putting other people in danger, not himself.  INTJs specialize in knowing how to interact with the World to get the results they want, aka Expectable Trends, and so for Hopper, his choices just feel like the requirements for the outcome he wants.  Know that something isn’t right with the Byers boy’s autopsy?  Then you have to get in there somehow and see the body for yourself.  Know Hawkins Lab is lying to you?  Get in there and find out what they’re hiding for yourself.

Because Hopper feels, as IJs do, that if he won’t do it, no one will.  So, no matter the risk, he feels the drive to dive in headfirst and get his hands dirty.

But with INTJ’s Anakin Angst being driven by the fear that everything is their fault, that someway, somehow, they should have been able to keep things from going wrong, Hopper copes by trying to control everything.  (ip) denial of his Type Angst comes in the form of “no, it’s not all my fault… If there is no error, then there is no fault!” so he constantly tries to mitigate damage so there’s no blame to be had.

But he can’t do it all, so things still go wrong.  Will gets lost, Benny gets shot, people disappear, and Hopper shoves down his fear that he’s helpless to save everyone, that things keep going wrong and underneath it all, he’s sure it’s his fault somehow.  I find it interesting and realistic that Hopper doesn’t want to believe in supernaturally good things in the universe, but he doesn’t have a hard time in believing the bad, feeling cursed.

We see in S2 how Eleven is filling in the hole in Hopper’s heart, in ways that probably feel way too vulnerable to admit.  He isn’t addicted to pills or meaningless sex anymore.  We don’t see him take pills once second season, and when the other officers tease him about “lady problems” it’s a joke to the audience because we know Hopper is having major little lady problems.  Loving and protecting Eleven has become the focus of Hopper’s life, seeming to give him aim and hope that he had previously lost.

But he’s terrified of losing that, so he falls into clenched controlling.  This is an (ip) version of the most common reaction to Anakin Angst, like talked about in the original Anakin Angst definition post.  So often, in an attempt to protect the things and people that matter most to an INTJ, they’ll end up falling into the very flaws they were trying to fight, and we see this with Hopper.  His entire aim is to keep Eleven safe from the people who have trapped and forced Eleven her whole life.  But then what does he end up doing in pursuit of that goal?  Trapping and forcing Eleven to stay and wait until he’s sure she can be safe.

Eleven calls him on this, saying that he’s like Papa, by which she means that he is locking her away and can’t be reasoned with, not fully understanding the character implications of what she’s saying Hopper is.  Like I said in the Eleven section, she doesn’t fully comprehend the evil motives behind Brenner’s bad actions.  But, in typical IJ form, she’s correct that Hopper is going about the situation wrong, even though she’s wrong about the intentions behind his decisions.

And in turn Hopper feels unknown for who he is and his motives, and I think rejected, honestly.  He has been giving her all his care and worry, dedicating his fatherly heart to her, and putting his emotions on the line for her sake, and their fight feels like a spitting in the face of his love for her.  He claims he’s upset because he does the useful actions of feeding, clothing, and protecting her (the real emotion coming out more with “protecting” in that list), but in actuality, it’s not his useful actions that Hopper is defending; it’s the meaningful experience that he felt their relationship had.  He feels like if she can’t see how much he cares, as evidenced by his worry and efforts, then maybe she doesn’t really care about or see him at all.

I think they’re both left feeling like maybe they cared far more for the other person, than the other ever cared for them.  Because on the flip side, of course Eleven does love Hopper, but feels like if he doesn’t see the freedom she needs, then maybe he doesn’t see her at all either.

I guess it shouldn’t be a surprise that Hopper and Eleven’s relationship has too much NT Éros.  Which before that sounds creepy, if you haven’t read that post, the concept behind aLBoP’s Four Types of Love is that every relationship should have a balance of all four, as based on the 4Toi, in their own ways, and both romantic and platonic relationships have their own versions of each (meaning Éros needn’t have a sexual connotation ).  Éros as defined in that post is the ToL of contrast, of wills pulling one on the other, and the joy of two individuals being strong and independent.  It is the passion/fire ToL. Obviously Hopper and Eleven have that up to their eyeballs and that’s why as an audience we love their dynamic.  But the Four Types of Love require balance, just as the 4Toi do, and any relationship overburdened with one ToL without being tempered by the other three, will end up spinning off kilter.  And this is at the root of Hopper and Eleven’s relationship problems.

Too much Éros leads to feeling unheard and like you have to struggle for control in order to feel like an equal partner in a relationship (gaining the Type Angst of the Éros corner, ENTJ’s Great and Powerful Trixie Tantrum).  And both Eleven and Hopper clearly feel unheard and like they have to push their own will to get what they want.

Really, neither understands that “compromise” doesn’t have to mean “halfway happy,” as adorably INTJ as it is for them to think that way, like people are obstacles to personal will, that we sacrifice happiness for because we care.  Like I talked about in this post, INTJ as opposed to INFJ, tends to go around people.

Whereas meaning-centric INFJs feel their Actions haven’t fulfilled their purpose unless the people aspect of the world has been worked-through, use-centric INTJs often find it more convenient in the scope of their aim to just step around people, as long as people are going to be a difficulty.

It’s interesting, in observing what ToL Hopper and Eleven are missing in their relationship, I expected it to be the opposite ToL from Éros, SF Storge, but on closer examination, Hopper leans too far into Storge too.  As an (ip) that makes sense, as ISFP(ip) is the Storge corner and Storge is the ToL of comfort, safety, and minimizing pain.  Whereas Eleven leans more toward NF Agápe: exciting, meaningful, individualized love that Mike showed her (which we’ll talk about more in the Mike section).

And so, with their powerful Éros wills, they’re pulling in different Meaning directions.  Eleven wants to get out and feel excited about the world, stretch her personal legs and see what she can do, in her supercharged “you can’t stop me” (ej) way, while Hopper wants to minimize pain and create a stasis of safety so that things don’t break.

After what happened to Sara, it’s no wonder that Hopper has run to a desire for safety, emphasizing Storge even more than his (ip) would naturally, and gaining ISFP’s Type Angst of Banner Trepidation: the fear that you can’t keep anything from breaking.  And Banner Trepidation steers so many of Hopper’s actions, coupled with his native INTJ Anakin Angst. The combination of the two causes him to constantly react to the fear that “Everything will break, and it’ll be my fault.”  So yes, Hopper has plenty of Storge, to the point that he starts crippling Eleven.

Quoting from the Storge section of the 4ToL post:

“But Storge’s ultimate desire for safety and comfort can end up actually undermining the needs of its protectorates…  [One] form of unhealthy Storge is like a stream that has set its course and refuses to deviate, demanding calm and composure of its participants, treating peace as if it’s something that comes only from not ruffling feathers.

“This kind of unhealthy Storge often goes to the point of acting like legitimate problems that members of the relationship have get in the way of the safe atmosphere if brought up, so issues go unaddressed and un-dealt with, everyone just pretending that things are okay, as if that actually makes them so.  It often takes love for granted, assuming that because things have been in a repetitive rhythm for so long, surely everyone knows where they stand, not realizing that just because things fall into places, doesn’t mean they fell into the right places, just by chance.”

And while we see Hopper making those exact Storge choices, it’s funny to me because INTJ’s approach to Storge is so intense and stubborn, lol.  I mean, Storge can often be stubborn when it comes to safety, and (ip)s are often super stubborn in a way that is so cute when healthy.  I guess what I’m noticing is that when ITs favor Storge, they don’t pretend that everything is okay, they just insist that they don’t want it to change anyway, heh.  Pessimistic approach to safety, I guess, feeling like the only way to keep everything safe is to keep things “halfway happy,” not daring to hope that full happy is even possible.

So Hopper has gotten to a place where he’s (relatively) okay with Eleven being miserable and even angry at him, so long as he can keep her safe… and Hawkins safe, and Joyce safe, and all the kids safe and… Trying to do it all, alone.

I think David Harbour, Hopper’s actor, said it much better than I can, in his 2018 Critics Choice Award acceptance speech.  This is so beautiful and puts poetry to Hopper’s emotions and the things he’s initially blind to.  (Watch the video if you can find it; I love watching how shocked he is to be winning the award, and how much the speech means to him.  His inflections are so touching.)

“In Stranger Things this season, Hopper spends the majority of the fall of 1984 holed up in a cabin with a maturing young woman, desperately, stumblingly, trying to care for her as her ever adapting, evolving needs slip though his unsophisticated fingers, his rigid beliefs, his fear that the world isn’t ready.  The world isn’t ready for the secret inherent power she has inside her.  She’s feral.  He her guardian.  The cabin is safe, comforting, and it’s dangerous out there.  And yet she leaves, and when reconnected with her sister, she is lit aflame.  And she carries this fire, this light back to Hawkins, and reunites with Hopper.

“And now he, himself, must be guided the North Star of her powerful coming to being, because he loves her, and because he needs her.  She is the key to suturing the wound, resurrecting life, cleansing the infection, closing the rift.  If it likes it cold, she brings heat.  And so he grabs his shotgun to blast some smaller beasts, to give her time to confront the dark, monstrous shadow that bathes Hawkins in darkness, that grows like a mold under the entire town.  And when all’s done, Hopper can offer her one thing: he can get her a birth certificate.  He can offer inclusion.  He can offer her freedom from exile.  And he does.  And it is my great honor to play him.”

At the beginning of S2, Hopper loves Eleven.  He feels the soothing river of how she heals his heart and he desperately wants to protect everything she means to him.  But Hopper doesn’t realize that he’s failing to respect Eleven, and in turn she lacks the experience to realize how much he deserves her respect.

Most of the Hopper/El flashbacks in S2 take place in “The Pollywog,” including Hopper’s epic dad-dance.  But, whether the double meaning was intended or not, I like applying the episode title not only to Dustin and his sweet blindness to what the the little lost creature he found and is nurturing will become, but also to Hopper’s sweet blindness to his own nurturee.

Eleven is a bit of a pollywog (as all teens are in a way), between being a child, desperate for help and nurture, and a full-fledged adult with strength and the need to make her own choices.  I will restrain myself in talking about how many teens get the worst of both childhood and adulthood, being expected to know how to handle the world already and yet not being given the freedom to test their own wings and feel capable.  And Eleven serves as a very literal example of being underestimated in power, out of an attempt to mitigate stumbles and pain.  In clenching with both hands onto Eleven’s safety, Hopper fails to take into account that maybe she shouldn’t be kept safe, for her own sake and everyone else’s.

And that’s where ST Philia comes in; the ToL of respect, endurance, dedication, and trust, which is what both Hopper and Eleven are missing.  Hopper asks Eleven to trust him that he will free her when it’s safe, without reciprocating that trust in her.

Philia is a love by choice, and Hopper and El have to communicate to each other that they aren’t going anywhere, that they have a Father/Daughter relationship because they want to, not because it just happened or because they have to.  And that’s what we see when they’re having their heart-to-heart on their drive in “The Gate.”  With the mutual respect they’ve gained for each other while apart, they’re able to truly listen to each other and communicate to the other that they’re there because they want to be, not because circumstances made them.

As Hopper escorts Eleven to the Gate, he’s still terrified for her safety, but he’s come to respect her power, her decisions, and her growing adulthood enough to let her shoulder some of Hawkins’ burden.  I think he’s come to realize too how much she saved his life, even before she was tossing demodogs like bean bags, how much she saved him internally even more than externally.  And he acknowledges how much he needs saving and can’t just go it alone.

When Hopper finally opens up to Eleven about Sara, seeming shocked that he’d never told her before, I always think it’s akin to Bob Parr in The Incredibles when Helen is challenging his similar need to do things on his own, accusing him of an ego trip.  Mr. Incredible finally opens up and admits what’s impelling his choices:  “I can’t lose you again!  I can’t.  I’m not…strong enough.”

And that’s why Jim Hopper has been dumb enough to go it alone for years, why he misses Halloween and gets stuck in tunnels with only a bad smoking habit to save him.  Because to Jim Hopper nothing, not monsters or guns, not toxic fumes or psionic ire, is as scary as the idea of losing the precious embodiment of everything that made life matter, all over again.  Whether that’s treasured Eleven, or Will or Joyce as similar Sara surrogates, Hopper will do anything it takes to keep that loss from happening again, even willing to give up his own life if it means protecting the precious ones who made life mean anything.

So admitting that he can’t do it all, that he can’t keep everyone safe, and that he doesn’t feel strong enough to handle if they aren’t kept safe, shows great bravery on Hopper’s part, even more than punching out state troopers, breaking into Hawkins Lab, or going into the Upside Down on his own.  It takes great trust and real vulnerability on Hopper’s part to let Eleven go back to Hawkins Lab, to face her past and to bear the brunt of danger, but he does, just there to back her up and let her fly.

Because just safety and powerful will aren’t enough.  Sometimes hard things must be faced and sometimes we have to let others face them, even if that’s a bigger challenge than just facing them ourselves.  Healthy Philia knows that there is power, strength, and joy in the difficult times, not just the easy, safe ones, and Philia uses those times to forge bonds that are stronger, better, and happier than ever before, no halfway happy necessary.

Nancy Wheeler
INTJ(ep)*
The Natural Dragon
A Natural Approach to Expectable Trends
“I want to finish what we started.  I want to kill it.”
INTJ(ep) examples: Jane Austen, Matt Damon, Tigress* – Kung Fu Panda

Dear Nancy Wheeler, before I embark on analyzing your character and motives, I have to get some very important advice from the future out of the way.  So I very much approve and relate to your feelings on the topic of one Tom Cruise, having harbored similar feelings myself around about 15 years of age.  I had pictures of him taped to the underside of the top bunk above my bed, and I still know his birthday (July 3rd, 1962) and most of the years his movies were released.

In light of that, I must forewarn you: Next year, in 1985, he will release a movie called Legend.  I’m sorry.  But it’s okay.  Despite the weirdness that is that movie, take solace in the fact that he does actually look pretty hot in little green shorts and that Tangerine Dream is cool, and be patient, because in 1986 Top Gun will come out and be adorably cheesy and epic at the same time, saving the day with lines like “I feel the need: the need for speed” and “Son, your ego is writing checks your body can’t cash.”  As opposed to Legend’s “They express only love and laughter, dark thoughts are unknown to them.”

Tom Cruise gives 1986 the thumbs-up.  1985 he gives a frog-like stance.

(Okay so I may be exaggerating my disdain for Legend a little, when in fact I had most the movie memorized at one point and it may have sparked me to write stories about princesses and boys with aquiline noses that I still have spinoff iterations of to this day…  But Ridley Scott was still on something that year and the storytelling is iffy at best and I’m still embarrassed that I made my friends watch it.)

Anyway, hold out for the highway to the danger zone, Nancy; it’ll be worth it.  And take good care of that poster!  My Minority Report poster is totally beat up by this point.

Having gotten that public service message out of the way, let’s talk about Nancy Wheeler.

There is so much to be said about how hardcore Nancy Wheeler becomes in the pursuit of justice for her best friend, how much she’ll stop at nothing and how her quick, tactical thinking saves the day over and over again.  But I feel like others have focused plenty on that, and I feel like I can talk about sides of Nancy that others might not see, using aLBoP tools.

Because a core part of why Nancy makes all her decisions after the disappearance of Barb, is her Anakin Angst, particularly how she approaches it as an (ep).

Again (as I believe I’ve conveyed by this point with all these INTJs), the core fear of Anakin Angst is “everything is my fault,” and we see that, after she begins to realize Barb is truly missing, and especially after Eleven cries, “Gone! Gone, gone, gone…” about Nancy’s very best friend, Nancy’s entire existence is being wracked with guilt.

(ep)s are the most cognizant of their Type Angsts, the “grizzled veterans” of being aware of and dealing with their core fears.  And yet they (we) feel like there’s no escape from a Type Angst defining them (us).  Nancy knows that she’s blaming herself for Barb’s demise, and has gone around and around her mind with that guilt, a thousand times, but still doesn’t feel like she can escape how that self-blame seems to define her.

Unlike Hopper’s (ip) denial about how he feels like he should have been able to do something for Sara, or Eleven’s (ej) embracing that maybe she is just a monster, Nancy approaching her Anakin from an (ep) angle causes her to spend day in and out of the beginning of S2 thinking about how, through her decisions, she “killed Barb,” constantly haunted by the fact that if she had made different decisions, Barb would have still been alive.

Nancy keeps trying to find outlets to cope with her guilt and grief.  Nancy’s actress Natalia Dyer wanted it to look like Nancy had cut her own hair before S2, on a whim.  She visits Barb’s parents all the time, hoping that will atone, a little.  She thrusts herself into Steve’s arms, and she gets stone drunk from pure desperation to do something to stop feeling like the guilt will eat her alive.

As a Universal NT(ep) as well, I know what it’s like to push people away when I’m angsting, because they just “don’t seem to get how much guilt I should be feeling.”

But letting herself realize whose bad intentions are truly to blame, frees Nancy.  When she realizes that, even though she was being a bad friend on the night Barb disappeared, that it’s the “bad men” of Hawkins Lab that caused Barb’s death through worse than negligence, then Nancy is able to let go of her control-angst controlling her, and actually accomplish #justiceforBarb.

And so we see again the lesson that Hopper’s journey with Anakin Angst taught us about control:  Trying to take responsibility for the whole world squishes it.  And in Nancy’s case, as we blame ourselves for damage beyond our reach as a single human being, we make ourselves less able to actually effect change, to negate our actual damage in the world.

We all cause damage; it’s the way life is as imperfect humans, no matter how good our intentions.  We hurt others, we make mistakes; we fail.  But if we can both bring ourselves to recognize that damage, those weaknesses, and yet overcome the guilt and self-blame that would cripple us, we can manage to make so much more out of our choices, and net such a greater positive effect than we could have if we either closed our eyes to our own damage or let guilt take over.  Nancy is able to effect real change (plus save Joyce’s life with a hot poker), because after she grows, she neither ignores, nor is a puppet of her own failures.

Mike Wheeler
ENFP(ip)*
The Comfortable Standard Bearer
A Comfortable Approach to Edifying Reactions
“A friend is someone you’d do anything for.”
ENFP(ip) examples: Winston Churchill, Carrie Fisher,
Radagast the Brown –
The Lord of the Rings (book and Lord of the Rings Online, not in The Hobbit movies)

Even more than most of the other sections, I’m going to talk about Mike by discussing his relationships to others because, perhaps more than any other type, ENFPs see the world via that lens: their context to other individuals.  This can create a competitiveness in ENFPs, as seeing oneself in the context of others can easily lead to comparison.  But in sweet, healthy ENFPs, it just engenders a sense of closeness between themselves and others, a sort of overlapping of selfness.

It’s so fitting that our first glimpse of Mike is him leading the boys’ Dungeons and Dragons game as DM (Dungeon Master… yes, that’s actually what the role is called).  It demonstrates the role that Mike always serves for the group.  He lifts all of their expectations about how much of an adventure life can be, and how heroic they’re allowed to be in it.  I think in S1 this starts out a little young and overexcited, yet Mike quickly adapts to real danger and the need for real bravery.  When Will is missing, Mike rouses exact-opposite-type Lucas and fellow EFP Dustin into hopeful action, reminding them of Will’s bravery as a motivation for why they should be the kinds of friends to go save him.

Mike and Eleven, as ENFP(ip) and INTJ(ej), are true Paradoxitypes, which is a special type relationship we talk about a lot on aLBoP.  Paradoxitype is like your hidden inner self, that comes out when you feel safe, upset, or passionate.  It’s surprising, but paradoxically true, like your childhood self that you might not always show the world.  And so having that relationship, Eleven has a tender, romantic, excitable but Comfortable Standard-Bearer like Mike inside of her, caring deeply for the reactions and edification of others.  And reciprocally, Mike is found to have an intense, determined, Supercharged Dragon inside him, precisely set on how to make use of the wide world.

From first sight, Mike sees Eleven as so much more than a weirdo with no hair.  Doing his Type Specialization justice, he sees her for the person she both is and can be, her Meaning in the context of everything.  Right away Mike sees her as a person, as a girl, and as a friend.  He sees how she’s both terrified and awesome.

True ENFP intelligence does that.  It helps us see past appearances to the person inside.  Like I talked about in The Four Types of Love, the ENFP corner of Agápe focuses on similarity of selfness, shared passions, shared hopes, and shared pain.

There’s so much emulatable Agápe in Mike and El’s relationship: excitement, pureness, openness, hope, and happy shyness.  I love how Mike is so excited to show El everything important to him, from his favorite toys to how the La-Z-Boy works, in such an adorably ENFP way: “And here’s this thing, and this is why it matters to me, and here’s this other thing and here’s why it matters to me… and I’m showing you because you matter to me!”  Agápe also sees people in the context of all time, both the past that formed them and the future of who they can someday be.  Mike, even without knowing everything Eleven has experienced, sees both her pain and her power from her past.  And when he believes her truly gone, it’s like that entire possible future has been cut off, both her future as a person, and their potential future together.

As much as Mike wants to be awesome and meaningful enough to be worthy of El, he is never competitive with her abilities and powers, or even down on himself, feeling like her powers are too special for him to live up to.  He’s always happy to be her banner-guard, waving the flag of how much she matters as a person.  He lets her be powerful and mighty, while also having a great handle on how to protect her soft heart, seeing how much she needs that.  It says so much about Mike’s strength as a person that he is okay with that, both as an ENFP, since ENFPs tend to struggle more than any other type with knowing their own value, and as a male love-interest.  Mike is never intimidated by Eleven.  He’s forever in awe and happy to be so, and that says so much about his own internal mightiness.

Finn Wolfhard (a name Justin says you’re not allowed to say without explosions in the background, because it sounds so hardcore), Mike’s actor, said the following on the official behind-the-scenes, and I love the insight it gives on the very sweet version of ENFP’s Type Angst, McFly Conviction, that Mike has in S2:

“Emo Mike.  That’s what we called him on set.  [A year later,] he doesn’t really have anyone to impress anymore… [they’re] not playing as much DnD, so he can’t really impress, you know, people on that level… Mike can’t really impress anyone with finding a missing kid.  He can’t impress anyone with getting a girl.  He can’t really do anything.  So, he sort of turns into this loner who can’t really develop as a person.  I think he just kind of stops, because he just feels like there’s no one there for him to fall back on.”

I love Finn’s insight (fittingly as an ENFP(ip) himself), that ENFPs feel like if they can’t impress with who they are as a person, pushing the boundaries of self-meaning, then they can’t go forward.  Growing their own meaning feels pointless with no one to share it with, no one to bounce meaningfully off of.  And that’s why Mike is so grumpy and “emo” in S2.  Eleven saw him, and he saw her.  And as long as he could show her meaning and watch her reactions and see her smile, he felt like everything mattered.

ENFP McFly Conviction is the fear that not only are your feelings totally invalid and even imaginary, but also that, by association, the things that you’ve invested emotion in are themselves totally blown out of proportion.  So I think, almost a year later, Mike feels like he can’t be sure that Eleven was even the person he remembers and loves.  And I bet he definitely worries that he built her affection up to be much bigger than reality.

So he’s not okay with Lucas and Dustin seeming to move on without Eleven, and especially not okay with what he perceives to be an attempt to replace Eleven with Max in their group, thus why he’s really a jerk to her.  (I also suspect he does find Max to be cute and cool, and feels guilty and resentful because of it, because the last thing he wants to do is replace El inside himself.)

But I love how Mike finds purpose again in helping Will, and I love their close moment after trick-or-treating.  And in the same BTS, Finn says this about that part:

“You could see the character sort of light up again, and be like, ‘Oh, I found my place again.  I can save someone again.’”  Very sweet, and super ENFP in the best way.

Mike and Will have a neat cognitive relationship.  Both being Universal NFs, they’re what we call Patronatypes (yeah, we don’t have a post on that one yet, but it’s named after Harry Potter-verse Patronuses).  Patronatypes aim for the same Objective, but for different yet complementary Scopes, so it’s like they’re going the same direction, but covering different bases along the way, which makes for a cool buddy effect.

Like in the scene after trick-or-treating, Mike and Will both feel like they’re “going crazy.”  But for Mike, it’s because he can’t stop thinking about Eleven, an Individual, her reactions, and what the Concept of her Means to him—EP, NF—and for Will it’s because he’s not sure if the universe is going to eat him, pretty much, thinking about what the new Trends he’s seeing in the World’s behavior Mean Conceptually—IJ, NF.  And so they get each other, and are able to lay aside their candy and talk about the bigger things on their minds.  They’re able to help each other feel understood and safe for a little while, comforted in the promise of going “crazy together.”

Bonus Patronatype points for holding their arms the exact same way, just mirrored.

When it comes to Hopper, Eleven’s secret jailor, he and Mike are Paradoxitypes like Mike and El.  Yet unlike Mike and El, Hopper and Mike are the same subtype as each other, instead of opposite subs the way “true” Paradoxitypes are.

(Note: I meant to have Justin include a section in the subtype post about type relationships and how subtypes make relationships such as Paradoxitype and Patronatype “true” or not, but we were rushing to get it out and I totally spaced about it.  But it’ll probably be better to take time to go into depth on it in a post about type relationships later anyway.)

Same-sub Paradoxitypes often have an affinity, where they understand each other’s paradoxical inside, and yet throw the opposite approach spin to it; basically it’s like someone who has external behaviors similar to your own, while applying them to what you feel deeper down.  It tends for serious “I feel you bro” moments.

Mike thinks he wants someone to blame for all of both his and Eleven’s pain of being apart, and for making him feel like everything their relationship meant to him was all just in his head.  For making him feel like it was fleeting, imaginary, and blown way out of proportion.  When he discovers that it wasn’t, that she really was caring and hurting just as much as he was, the pain comes intensely and jarringly, and he needs some outlet.  That’s why I love the scene where he starts punching Hopper.  Hopper sees and understands Mike’s pain, and he’s all too used to blaming himself, so he takes it.

But Mike doesn’t really want someone to blame, he just wants someone to understand the pain he went through, and to show him that everything isn’t lost, due to that pain.

Mike is also Paradoxitypes with Nancy, but it’s what we call Half-off Paradoxitype.  This is when the subtype is just one letter different; just different enough to bug each other.  Especially with same-j/p, this can often cause a lot of bonking heads.

One of the prime examples we like to use is Tony Stark (Iron Man), ENTP(ej)* and Steve Rogers (Captain America), INFJ(ij), in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.  As the same types as Lonnie and Will (and Stoick and Hiccup), Tony and Steve bump heads over how their Type Specializations and Paradoxitypes should be handled.  Tony sees Steve (ij)-owning heroism and that they should be the ones to defend Principles in the World, which sends Tony’s Megamind Complex Type Angst into a tizzy.  Tony’s true Paradoxitype is INFJ(ip), like Yoda and the animated Cinderella, demure and casual when it comes to owning being a good person.  And Steve doesn’t like that Tony owns his swagger with (ej) intensity; Steve’s Paradoxitype is ENTP(ep) like R2-D2 and Mulan (and yours truly), very “yup, I’m here” when it comes to swagger, not in-your-face like Tony is.

In any case, half-off Paradoxitypes can make us feel like both our own Type Specs and our inner hidden selves are being done wrong!  And we see this with Mike and Nancy, as she seems to find his “just run in and save people” INTJ(ej) Paradoxitype to be reckless, as opposed to how she waits for all the information to filter to her in a natural (ep) way.  And Mike seems to find Nancy’s ENFP(ij) Paradoxitype to be so far from chill when it comes to affairs of the heart, like Steve or how upset she gets when he “borrows” her quarters.

But as with all half-off Paradoxitypes, we see that as Nancy and Mike get closer, they have a lot to learn from each other too, showing each other how both passion and caution can be applied to each other’s Type Specs, for desired results.  Lucas and Dustin also have this half-off Paradoxitype relationship, and we see how it can cause alternating closeness and irritation in their friendship.

Mike tenderly fingering Will’s drawing of their party.  I’m guessing their characters LtR are drawn Dustin, Will, Mike and Lucas.  Aww.

Mike champions each of the other kids individually, for what they each uniquely bring.  Each person has their special role in the party; each person is loved, needed and appreciated for the unique concept of person-ness that they bring.  Lucas doesn’t understand this at first; he fears that Eleven will replace his special place in Mike’s heart as his best friend, since conventional “logic” says you can have only one best friend.  But Mike calls bull on the shallow assumptions of such so-called logic, since he wants each individual for themselves, intrinsically and independently.  In Mike’s ENFP eyes, every person is an eternally special, utterly unique concept of their very own self-ness, and that leaves literally limitless room for co-existing, co-equal best friends.  And even if experience-based ESFP Dustin doesn’t quite get that at first, he seems to like the sound of the idea.

This sets up Mike as a complete opposite of the Mind Flayer’s finite-minded mentality that all other selves are a threat and an insult to its own.  Since Mike sees each person as an independently precious and limitless source of person-ness, he understands that the Meaning, Usefulness, and overall individuality of one self in no way infringes on that of anyone else.  Reality is large enough for everyone to freely grow as high and as far as they choose, which is exactly what Mike’s ENFP Standard-Bearer Type Spec hopes for.  Any mentality that sees individuality as a competition is a mentality with a very limited inner world… which might explain the homogenous death and dreariness created by the vastly clever yet stupidly small-minded Smoke Monster in the Upside Down.

Mike’s ability to view everyone as an intrinsic, independent self gives him one of his most crucial strengths in the Stranger kids’ party: that he sees person-ness in everyone.  Even in the Bad Men, and even in an interdimensional, inhuman evil like the Smoke Monster.  This allows him to notice the Motives and desires of even faceless villains, and adapt accordingly.  Rather than attempting to work against opposition as mere obstacles, as Hopper sometimes might, Mike is ever aware of the Motives of those in his way.  Such EP Observation is power, so much more than mere force, because it equips us to appropriately react to, and even preempt, everything and everyone we Observe.

When all hope seems lost, Mike is the one who realizes that they need information from Will, because he views the Smoke Monster as a person.  An incredibly powerful and alien person to be sure, but a person nonetheless, still a self with desires and Motives.  He talks about the Mind Flayer as a person, referring to “his army” of demodogs.  Mike is also the one who realizes that if they kill the Mind Flayer before they free Will’s person-ness from him, that they’ll kill Will too.

Throughout the show, Mike embodies hope.  Hope that Will is still alive, when all mundane forces suggest that he shouldn’t be.  Hope that Eleven is still out there, even after 353 days without any sign.  Hope that Will can overcome the Mind Flayer, and hope that they can make a difference by distracting a force that seems so impersonal, unknowable, and unbeatable.  Mike gives everyone else direction, constantly waving the banner of hope and saying, “Hey guys, we can be truly heroic inside.  Even when it’s dangerous, it’ll be worth it.”

He shows everyone else that hope isn’t easy, but it is worth it.  Hope isn’t blind or naive, and it isn’t empty cheerleading.  It deserves a persevering investment of both emotion and action.  It takes bravery to back it up.  Over and over, Mike stands as an example of courageous hope, showing everyone that if they hold on, Observe, trust in the unique strengths of the people around them, and then move forward and act, then hope pays out.  As the heart of the party, Mike keeps everybody going, arming them to use their own strengths while he constantly watches for any last ray of hope.

Dustin Henderson
ESFP(ij)*
The Deliberate Morale Officer
A Deliberate Approach to Enjoyable Reactions
“Sometimes your total obliviousness just blows my mind.”
ESFP(ij) examples: Chris Farley, Eleanor Roosevelt, Pinkie Pie* – My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic

ESFP is, in my experience, one of the most underrated, underestimated types and Type Specializations, along with the angle of intelligence that defines ESFP being one of the most frequently cast aside.  And so I really want to take this opportunity to demonstrate how important and rock-awesome they really are as a type, via Dustin.  Which shouldn’t be difficult, because c’mon, who doesn’t love Dustin?!  (Humans, I mean, and Stacy doesn’t count.  Kidding… mostly.)

Although they bring so many needed things to the table–such as a unique approach to figuring out what method to use in a situation, based on the resources they already have and the Meaning involved–I think where ESFPs shine the most is in making individuals feel wanted, for who they are now.  And for Dustin, as an (ij) sub, that specialization of making individuals feel safe and like it’s okay to be them, is very calculated and intentional. I had to use Pinkie Pie from MLP for the fictional example of ESFP(ij), because I love how she does the same.  “I’m going to make people happy, and I’m going to do it on purpose!”  The beautiful mantra of ESFP(ij).

Dustin turning Mike and Eleven’s hug into a group hug, in one of the most tender moments of the whole show, is exactly what I was trying to get across with the Morale Officer’s stick figure.

Healthy ESFP thinks about what individuals need to keep going, whether it’s feeding them nougat, reminding them of lessons learned from disastrous Dungeons and Dragons adventures, or recharging Eleven with chocolate pudding.

I had such a hard time picking a quote for Dustin, because he really does get a lot of the cream of the crop, great line wise.  Lines like, “She’s our friend and she’s crazy,” show how Dustin does his Type Spec so well.  He doesn’t make El feel like a monster for her gifts and intensity, instead he excitedly owns, “that’s right, she’s that intense and we love it!  We need it!”

But I had a difficult time figuring out what to focus on, for both Dustin and Lucas.  I was so frustrated: “I love them and they’re both so integral to the story… so why can’t I explain why?!?!”  But it turns out that why they’re integral to the story is exactly what I needed to talk about.  Both play very important audience surrogates, in totally different ways that bounce off each other excellently, and reflect their cognition perfectly.

Everyone loves Dustin, and it’s tempting to label him “comic relief” and move on, but even that role is an expression of his larger role in the story.  Dustin is the ultimate lampshade hanger of Stranger Things; he’s the Meta Guy, the Genre Savvy observer who sees what’s going on and conveys it to us as an audience.  He’s there in our place to say either “dude, that’s awesome” or “uh, this is a really bad idea,” as the need arises.

This is why I had such a hard time picking a quote for Dustin.  Pretty much everything he says is an epic way of telling us what’s happening, while endearing us and lightening the mood.  Dustin is the best form of exposition ever, in my personal opinion.  Some of my favorite examples:

“Did you ever think Will went missing because he ran into something bad?  And we’re going to the exact same spot where he was last seen?  And we have no weapons or anything?…I’m just saying, does that seem smart to you?”

“She tried to get naked!  She just went like…” [mimes pulling off shirt]…[repeatedly mimes pulling off shirt throughout the rest of the conversation.]

Lucas:  “We’re. In. Mourning.”
Dustin:  “Man, these aren’t real Nilla Wafers.”

Dustin:  “Did you see what she did with the van?”
Mike:  [Sarcastically] “No, Dustin, we missed it.”

And of course, Dustin is always the one to know how to apply DnD to real life, genre savvy to how the real world mirrors the “manual.”

So then it does make it all the more frustrating when Dustin is so un-genre savvy in his entire Dart experience.

[Talking to an interdimensional pollywog that will later crave flesh] “You’re pretty cute, you know that?  I’m glad I found you.”

But that’s true to cognition too.  Just like ENFP Mike is Observant when it comes to the intrinsic worth of individuals, but totally oblivious when it comes to Lucas feeling hurt and left out (because Mike doesn’t realize his own friendship is worth that much), so too is Dustin oblivious to certain areas of Observation.  When EPs run into Observations that hurt, it’s easy and often unconscious to just ignore the ugly parts of what we see, just as any type can ignore its first step when the resulting information hurts too much.  And for ESFPs, with Fry Future Phobia, that comes in the form of fearing that they can’t effect change in those they love, so they might as well love and make those individuals happy as they are… whether those they care about are middle school girls or demonic tadpoles.

Dustin shows pessimistic-optimism (being inaccurately optimistic for pessimistic reasons) that often plagues EFs, of pessimistically believing that the specific people around him are the best he can get.  Now when it comes to his best friends, that’s cool because his friends are awesome, but when it comes to girls, Dustin doesn’t really believe that he could find better ones than the girls at Hawkins Middle.  And so when Max shows up, being way cooler and less shallow, it seems, than all the other girls at Hawkins Middle, no wonder Dustin feels like he must employ any method (including said demonic tadpole) to grab her attention and interest, because when is someone else as awesome going to fall into his life??

Through all his encounters throughout both seasons, Dustin never cries out of fear.  He cries from sad when he believes Will is truly dead, and when El sacrifices herself, but that’s different.  Through the fear of facing supernatural enemies, facing men with guns and having them killed before his eyes, and then in S2, running toward danger with facing down Dart, and being the one who comes up with the plan to distract the Mind Flayer by running into danger and lightning it on fire, and then hoping that nougat and friendship will be enough to keep him from getting killed as he stands to protect the others, by S2E9 it’s clear Dustin is anything but a coward, and he never cries from fear of the forces tearing his safe world apart.

But what Justin pointed out is that, after everything he’s seen and everything he’s been through, after fearlessly facing down forces of interdimensional eldritch horror, what brings this hilarious and tough character to tears?

Girls.  Feeling utterly rejected, not by just one girl, but seemingly by all girls.  That’s what leaves him trying to keep it together, sitting on the bleachers alone.

Because Dustin honestly doesn’t think much of himself.  Well, he does and he doesn’t, in that way that most EPs do.  He knows he’s a good friend, and he probably realizes he’s a good problem solver and that he’s smart at the stuff he loves.  But why does he think that he needs to make a new scientific discovery of a freakish lizard, in order to get a girl?

For all that EPs are constantly watching people, they are often afraid to see how they themselves shine.  Even though EPs see their own Motives naturally, it’s hard for them to feel like Motives alone are enough.  (And for people who know me giving me a look, I know I know, notes-to-self too.)

They feel like they need to show off impressive feats of their last step of Action in order for anyone to think they’re worth anything.  Forget who they are as a person; unless they can be faster, stronger, better at doing, they feel like they’ll only have a chance of being worthwhile when demodogs fly.  As an EP it’s so hard to feel like anyone else would even care about who you see yourself being, because it’s hard to make your Actions as impressive as the person you see you are inside.

ESTP(ij)* Steve handles this fear by showing off, deliberately and idiotically hiding the soft, tender, vulnerable person he is inside.  Yet as he grows into himself, Steve is able to help Dustin feel worthwhile for the person he is, apart from any action he can do.  He shows respect to Dustin in a very guy way…by threatening to kill him if Dustin is trying to prank him.  But then he shows ever more respect for Dustin as an equal, giving him heart-to-heart girl advice (even if some of it is terribad), and even letting him in on his deepest, darkest Farrah Fawcett secret.  And then threatening his life again.

Steve treats Dustin as a man, not in a demanding way, but in an appreciative and even loyal way.  He doesn’t need Dustin to impress him by showing off, and he doesn’t feel any need to make Dustin compete with him.  Steve is a good older brother, a good mentor, and he’s just what Dustin needs to fill the Max-shaped hole in his heart.  In a very real way, Steve becomes Dustin’s Max, making him feel valid, cared about, and manly, just for the person he is.

So after lame girls reject him at the Snow Ball, I love when exact-opposite-type Nancy (they have the Duffers’ types with the subtypes switched ) wades in to show Dustin that he’s not the problem, that the girls are being idiotic to not see that he’s a catch, and to show him that he deserves better and can hope for more.  That just because other people’s EP Character Judgment may suck, it doesn’t mean Dustin can’t Observe himself and be deservedly proud of what he sees.

My brain just suggested that he can hope for a human girl version of Dart, and things got weird.  But I think what I mean is that Dustin can hope for someone who appreciates his dedication to individuals, his humor and cleverness, and his adorable D-face smile as much as Dart, Steve, and the other Stranger kids do, and as much as we as an audience love everything about him.

We all have some, or maybe a lot, of Dustin in us, regardless of our cognitive type.  We all struggle, in different ways, to see our own worth, our own courage, and the heroic qualities that we already have, and which others around us need us to own up to.  And when the creepy Stacys in our lives sneer at us like we’re something from the Upside Down, it’s so easy to let such insecure people confirm all our worst, and sometimes silliest fears about ourselves.

And while we all need great friends like Dustin is lucky enough to have, and while we all need wise and brave Nancys to come over and lift us up off the bleachers, sometimes we aren’t that fortunate.  Sometimes we really do end up alone, at least for a little while, with nobody there to put their arms around us.  But even when it seems like we’re surrounded by sneering Stacys who can’t seem to do anything but tell us how worthless or disappointing we are, we can try to see ourselves the way ESFP(ij) Dustin sees everyone else: that we already, intrinsically, have more worth than can be measured.

We don’t have to earn it.  Of course we all want to grow, to get better, but that doesn’t mean that we’re a disappointment until we do.  Just as Dustin doesn’t demand perfection from others in order to like them, just as he’s so eager to embrace his friends exactly as they are, we can find our inner Dustins to remind us that we, too, are already worth loving.  And the more we learn to love ourselves as we already are, the more we’ll find ourselves able to be a Nancy for somebody else, to come and lift them up from their own cold and lonely bleachers.

 

Lucas Sinclair
ISTJ(ej)*
The Supercharged Sentinel
A Supercharged Approach to Practical Trends
Lucas: “Stop talking. You’re going to get us killed.  Do you understand?”
Max: “You’re serious?”
Lucas: “I really wish I wasn’t.”
ISTJ(ej) examples: Christopher Lee, Meryl Streep, Sebastian the Crab* – Disney’s The Little Mermaid

Okay, the real reason that it took me forever to find my thesis for Lucas was because I wasn’t willing to be hard enough on him S1.  Because, let’s face it, as much as I love Lucas, he’s a real jerk for a lot of S1.  Though this serves an important purpose, and makes us love him all the more once he has his change of heart about Eleven.

Lucas serves as a different sort of audience surrogate from Dustin.  Lucas both grounds us in what normal reactions to paranormal situations realistically are, and also serves as the audience’s surrogate skeptic in S1.  Since Lucas is skeptical of Eleven, we don’t have to be.  It makes us feel like someone is questioning her behavior and motives, so we don’t have to play Bad Cop as an audience.

And then, we end up feeling more protective of El, in turn.  Like “Dude, if you only knew what she had been through, you’d understand!  Why you hatin’?!”  (I think I have literally never used that phrase in my life, but it seemed to express my emotion in that moment.)

But Lucas as a person serves this role perfectly, as it reflects the real life struggles of ISTJs and the struggle between the two battling sides of their Type Specialization.

ISTJ is “The Sentinel,” and they truly stand as the gate-wardens of Principles, turning experience (S) of the entire World (IJ) into Useful (T) Action, armed with a thorough understanding of how to use the world that has gotten them to where they are now.  It’s a beautiful Type Spec and I love them for it, the timeless guardians of the effort and toil that has gotten us to where we are now.

But in an unhealthy culture—and Stranger Things explores the long-reaching effects of the culture that has brought us to where we are now, for good or for bad, in nostalgia and in criticism—ISTJs seem to truly struggle between their IJ Scope and their ST Objective, leading to a result Justin calls the “ISTJ Jekyll-Hyde effect.”

ISTJs in our current culture get pulled hard between the IJ of the everlasting Principles they naturally see reflected in the entire world around them, the zoomed-out cosmos and the elegant and meaningful complexity of things that are always consistently true, versus the ST of protecting the way things in the current culture presently exist.  STs naturally try to work within what already exists, and that’s great and adorable, it’s a powerful advantage that leads to effective in-the-moment practicality.  Yet when it gets unhealthy, it leads to excusing the current as the best things could ever be, just because it’s what we already have.

When this happens, STs end up ignoring what their first cognitive step is telling them, in favor of the status quo.  Which, in IJ-ST’s case, takes the form of ignoring the everlasting Principles that they naturally see of how the world really works, in order to excuse and hide the flaws of the present culture, denying that it could be improved.  Like I said with Dustin, when our first step hurts too much, we tend to ignore it, to universally adverse effects.

ISTJs struggling with this dilemma tend to pendulum wildly between the happy, free, open Dr. Jekyll of “Aren’t the universe and history and principles incredible?!  I love truth and standing up for things!!” (well, tbh, being ISTJs they’re usually less effusive than that, but inside I know that’s what’s happening), and the grumpy, closed-off Mr. Hyde of “How dare you say that we didn’t do everything right as a culture leading up to this point?!  Sure people suck, but that’s only because they aren’t hard-working and enduring enough, not because our culture did anything wrong!  Blame Individuals more, it’s all their fault!!”

*Reads back over what she wrote to see if it’s too much of a caricature… thinks, “No, that’s really quite accurate,” and moves on.*

When ISTJs get caught in the painful tug-of-war of Jekyll-Hyde, they turn to their last, weakest step of Observing people’s Motives and character in an attempt to hide from their first step and the uncomfortable Principles it reveals.  They get pessimistic about people who show flaws in the present culture, while getting loudly and inaccurately optimistic about those who embody the culture as it currently exists.

We all fear our last steps, as the old saying is true that people fear what they don’t understand, which is the definition of our last steps.  They are the thing that we will forever understand the least, out of all the Types of Information.  We can grow in them just like anything else, stronger and healthier, and yet they will always comparatively remain our weakest, most vulnerable area relative to all other areas of growth.  Our last steps are the most outside our control, our least reliable step, and our greatest sources of insecurity.

And each of the four types of IJs fears people and their Motives, each in a different way.  For ITJs, their last step of Motives can make individuals seem naturally scary and uncontrollable, even a threat to the world as they wish it to be.  As my very dear ISTJ(ip) friend put it, (quoting the best I can remember) she sees the beauty of the world like a full tapestry of how we got here… but then, oh no, she sees all these holes!  Why are there so many holes?!?!  Who did this??  Why do people have to ruin the world’s perfect tapestry??

This heartbreaking disappointment at how individuals seem to ruin the world, can make it easy for ISTJs to lose hope that the world can ever be any better.  This leads to the internal tug-of-war of Jekyll-Hyde, since it’s better to cling to the world as it is, than to risk losing even that.  Whenever we feel hopeless about our Type Specialization, we tend to ignore what our primary cognitive steps are telling us.  So when Lucas feels hopeless about protecting the world as it already is, especially as his world seems to spin further and further out of control after Will’s disappearance and Eleven’s unreal abilities, it’s actually only natural for him to turn away from his first cognitive steps, and become a bit of a turd.  That doesn’t mean he can’t grow past that, but it is completely understandable.

While watching S1, Justin took to constantly referring to Lucas as “Dooku” or occasionally “Saruman,” two villainous ISTJ(ej)s motivated by their utter lack of hope in people.  It also helps that Lucas’s actor, Caleb McLaughlin, as an ISTJ(ej) himself with their telltale and adorably fitting facial structure, looks a lot like a miniature Christopher Lee.  This also led to one of Justin’s most commonly said phrases while we watched S1: “Shut up, Dooku!”  (Also saying “Sarumaaaan” like an uruk-hai every time he thought Lucas was taking himself too seriously… my husband is weird sometimes.)

We like to joke that Saruman is an orc pimp, with his blinged out robes and cane, but it works a little too well once you hear the phrase “half-orc”…  Image by Justin, of course.

But I understand that, while Lucas bothered me during first series, especially with his butchery of my first step of Motives, he bothered Justin even more.  ISTJ Jekyll-Hyde absolutely spits in the face of his Type Specialization of how the world (IJ) could potentially be (N), if the correct Meaningful (F) Actions were taken.  When Mr. Hyde rears his sneering head and insists that the current culture cannot ever be any better, that all its apparent flaws are simply due to the ignorance of the person pointing them out, it’s tantamount to saying “we don’t need no stinkin’ INJs.  The world can’t be improved.  You’re a fool if you think you can make it run any better than it does.”  It portrays the IJ-NF pursuit of a greater, more edifying, more soul-building and healthy world as naive, fundamentally futile, a childish and infuriating waste of time when you should be spending your energy jumping through the bizarre hoops of the culture as it presently is.

And when it comes to IJ-NT, as embodied in Eleven, Lucas’s struggles with Jekyll-Hyde lead him to fear her NT focus on how the world could be improved.  Everything Eleven is constitutes a constant reminder that there is more to the world than what Lucas has already experienced.  Especially in S1, despite repeated evidence of the abnormal things panning out around him, Lucas insists that even if those things are happening, they shouldn’t be.  He tries to bar the gate on anything that doesn’t belong in the world of his experience, especially Eleven, as everything about her reeks of otherworldliness.

“Her name is Eleven?!”  She doesn’t speak?  There’s no way to tell where she came from?  Yeah, all these things are red flags that she doesn’t belong in Lucas’s established world of how things work.  And even when she starts moving things with her mind… okay, well maybe that establishes that there’s more to the world than Lucas realized, but that doesn’t make those things good!!  She’s still a freak, still a weirdo.

Lucas and Eleven are exact one-offs; they’re both ITJ(ej)s (which are intense types to begin with) with only a one-letter difference between them.  And I lovingly facepalm at how much they talk past each other for most of S1…even though Eleven rarely talks with her words.  My sister and her daughter have that same type-relationship, although they’re both ITJ(ij)s instead of (ej)s, and it’s cute seeing how similar they are in a lot of ways, but so different in others.  And as much as they love each other, they do often struggle to see why the other is using almost the same thought process and approach, in such a seemingly backwards way from their own.  Likewise, Lucas looks at Eleven and wonders “why are you doing it wrong?”  It’s their near similarity that makes Eleven so ironically mystifying to him.

So in more ways than one, more ways than a few, Lucas in S1 sees Eleven as a threat to his place in the world, which feeds directly into his ISTJ Type Angst of Thranduil Denial (which, come to think of it, Thranduil is probably (ej) as well).  He feels the need to compete with her for the same turf cognitively, in addition to competing for his friends’ attention.  His friends are his place in the world, especially Mike who has always been so close by and such a steady source of friendship for him.  And now in S1 he finds himself losing MIke to not just a girl, but a weirdo girl.  He’s losing Mike to an unrecognizable world.

So the combination of Eleven’s INTJ(ej) “what could the world become?” Type Spec, her constant destruction of the world Lucas knows from experience, and the effect she’s having on lovesick Mike, all make Lucas feel like her very presence is a danger to everything that matters to him.  He just wants to find Will and set everything back to how it’s supposed to be again, back to the world he knows from experience.  And the very existence of Eleven promises that that cannot be the case.  Things can never just go back to the way they were, and El is a constant reminder of that.

Lucas’s struggles with Eleven, and the far wider world that she represents, sharply bring out one of the major themes behind all the conflict of S1: “What are you willing to go through for your friends?”  No matter how strange things might get, no matter how contrary to the safe world you’re used to, what are you willing to do for the ones you love?

Joyce is willing to look completely crazy if it will help her save Will.  Hopper has to grow willing to hope again, to emerge from his cocoon of sorrow and self-blame and see that he can be the hero everybody needs him to be.  Nancy has a complete turn-around from initially trying to be as normal as possible—at Barb’s expense—to dropping everything and facing mortal danger in her efforts to try to save, and then avenge, Barb.

And Lucas is willing to do whatever it takes to save Will…so long as it’s within the safe boundaries of the ST already-established ways of doing things.  His S1 character arc therefore requires him to get outside those comfortable boundaries, to truly grow willing to sacrifice everything, even his cherished IJ-ST view of how the world already works, for the sake of the people he loves.

And at first, Lucas tries to resist that growth, as we all do so often.  He tries to solve a new problem using his same old tried and true methods.  What Lucas really wants is to be a good soldier, like his dad in ‘Nam, proudly following in the footsteps of history.  From what we see, he does have a great family, and he clearly and sweetly believes that the way his parents do things is The Right Way to Do Things™.  But Lucas gets consistently uncomfortable with the idea that maybe the world of 1980s Hawkins, Indiana is not the entire world, or even a very large part of it.

So he goes out on his own to find Will, with military-camo bandana firmly in place, the lone Sentinel of the way things have always been done.  He’s searching for some mysterious, compass-warping magnetic gate, so he’s surprised when his compass leads him straight into the fence of Hawkins Lab.  At first, he tries to go around, but it quickly becomes clear that the compass is pointing him straight into the lab; that’s where the gate is.  And this seems to be the beginning of Lucas’s real turning point, after all the buildup and drama leading up to it.

The moment Lucas sees the sinister vans rolling out of Hawkins Lab, piled full of men with guns, he’s forced to see that the Establishment itself is the very thing that’s been endangering them, the very thing that hurt Will in the first place.  He had gone out on his own using his soldiery tools to find some weird, otherworldly cosmic gate, only to find that the gate was part of the established world he thought he knew, and not in a good way.

So when Lucas bikes back to his friends at superhero speed, he finally reaches out to them to warn them, and he even uses Eleven’s terminology: “The Bad Men are coming!”  It’s a huge deal when Lucas emphatically tells El that her flipping the van was “Awesome,” and admitting he was wrong about her character (to the point that Justin joked it was “the most unrealistic part of the show” because people are usually so unwilling to admit when they’ve been wrong).  Lucas is finally willing to welcome Eleven into his world, to use her abilities to make the world better than it already is.He makes her so fully and integrally a part of his established universe, that when they’re hiding at the middle school, he states that nothing is more important than keeping El safe.  He boldly faces the demogorgon, which has just torn through dozens of soldiers with automatic weapons, armed with nothing but his wristrocket and the “monster-killer” rock, to keep it from getting to El.  He has grown to use his mighty ISTJ Sentinel-ness to protect Eleven, rather than to protect himself and his established worldview from her.  And when she sacrifices herself, the tears in his eyes show that he feels as much loss as Dustin or Mike.  Well…maybe not as much as Mike.

I snatched this observation from Pinterest, but I love that when the boys are recapping to Will everything that has happened, Lucas mirrors the same phrases that Mike had said of Eleven, back when Lucas had been so skeptical of her:

Then:
Lucas: “Her name is Eleven?!”
Mike: “El for short.”

Later:
Dustin: “Her name is Eleven.”
Will: “Like the number?”
Lucas: “Well, we call her El, for short.”

By S2, Eleven and all the Hawkins strangeness has become so much a part of Lucas’s world, that things like “True Sight” are just natural to him.  He’s allowed his established history of the world to expand, rather than clinging only to what he already knew.  And so, it only makes sense that he wants to bring Max in on that world, so that he can share his precious, larger world with her.  He knows it’s a big deal to be able to tell her, and yet by that point in his growth, it doesn’t even cross his mind that Max wouldn’t believe him.  It’s just reality; it’s how the world really works.  He knows that now, and he wouldn’t lie about that.  When Max mocks his heartfelt sharing of this larger world with her, he isn’t even tempted to wonder “maybe I am making too big a deal out of this.”  It’s just what’s real, and he’s going to show her how serious real life is.

None of this is to say that Lucas is wrong for being an IJ-ST, that it’s bad to fiercely defend the established world of the way things already are.  Every type is needed; every type is a result of the basic and intrinsically equal 4ToI, making no type better, stronger, smarter, more sensible, or more necessary than any other.  They each represent vital and different ways of viewing the complexity of life.  Lucas’s problems in S1 arise not from being ISTJ, but from denying other types as being as valid as his own.  When he views Eleven’s NT “how can things be improved” as a threat to his own ST “how are things already,” when he treats Mike and El’s NF Agápe as foolish, when he acts as if his established worldview is the only rational way of thinking, he’s closing off fifteen-sixteenths of intelligence.  So it only makes sense that he makes some rather foolish decisions, all while convinced everyone else is being foolish.

Yet Lucas shines when he embraces his own ISTJ(ej) Supercharged Sentinel-ness, without fearing that other cognitive approaches pose a threat to his own.  In S2, he stands as a welcoming gate-warden to induct Max into the wider world he’s experienced.  He wants to handle relationship issues with Max the same way his parents always have, looking to learn from history and the established way of doing things, rather than reinventing the wheel on his own.  He has grown out of his militantly insecure, self-imposed boundaries, so that instead of standing as a stern Sentinel against perceived threats, he has become a bright, inviting Sentinel for the world he knows and the people he loves.

Will Byers
INFJ(ij)*
The Deliberate Paladin
A Deliberate Approach to Edifying Trends
“It was a seven… the roll: it was a seven.
The demogorgon; it got me.”
INFJ(ij) examples: James McAvoy, Carl Jung, Gandalf – Lord of the Rings

It might seem silly to use the quote above for Will, when between both series he has so many amazing moments and lines, especially in Series 2.  Some other iconic Will lines, just off the top of my head, would be “Should I stay or should I go,” “R. U. N.” or “He likes it cold.” *Shiver* But for me Will’s character is demonstrated more through his choices, expressions and body language than just the lines he says.  Well, actually that’s one of the things I love most about the whole show is how much is said without being said, but I think Will and Eleven are my favorite examples for their ratio of as few lines as possible for the most said.

But that part, the first real taste we get of Will Byers, foreshadowing the rest of his journey, in that first episode named for his disappearance, says so much about who Will Byers truly is.  In the basement with his friends, he feels like he really belongs… at least he hopes so.  With Hercules Syndrome making him feel like he can never be truly liked as himself, he always hopes so.  So even though he has as much right as any of them to be there and play his character with his own choices, when it’s his turn to face the DnD demogorgon, he freezes.

He knows the odds, weighing them with (ij) deliberateness; getting a thirteen or higher on a die with 20 sides is not a statistically great chance of success.  But he also wants to please his friends and fit in with the group.  He knows the choice says something to his friends about his last step of who he truly is, but also cares about which choice will be the most effective.  Fireball, suggested by TJ(ej) Lucas, might not work, but it’ll show his willingness to stand in the face of opposition, which is an important part of who Will is.  Protection, suggested by SF Dustin, is the safer bet, but might portray Will’s motives as weak and yielding (like Lucas straight out says it would be).  Will knows himself, he knows he’s brave, but he doesn’t feel seen for who he is.  So in the end, he makes the decision to stand his ground and fireball, to be brave for his friends, even though he knows the likelihood of success is low.  But because he knows it’s the social decision, not the effective one, Will has to force the choice, emotionally “closing his eyes” and throwing the dice.  As my INFJ(ij) is putting it, “Yeah this will work!!…please?”

And the die jumps off the table, out of sight.  Which then leads to that quote.  When Will finally finds the die, the roll was only a seven, unsurprisingly.  Lucas tells him that if Mike the DM didn’t see the roll, it doesn’t have to count.  Nothing lost, he can roll again next time.  But that’s not who Will wants to be.  As a healthy INFJ he knows that things work better when they line up with reality.  He wants to play the game right, even if the consequences aren’t ideal.  So, after the other guys leave, he tells Mike the truth: that because he stood his ground instead of going for safety, the demogorgon got him.  Which foreshadows the rest of, really not only S1 for Will, but both S1 and S2.

Okay, getting personal here.  While I don’t really have any un-favorite characters in Stranger Things (even the douchey characters are written so well), I’m not gonna lie Will Byers is my very favorite character.  There are so many factors behind that, but one certainly is how much his every choice and facial expression reminds me of Justin, my own INFJ(ij).  Before we typed Will, and as little as we see him in S1 after his disappearance, every time there was a flashback or we would see him hiding in the Upside Down, I would melt and tell Justin, “Aw, I really like Will!… Poor Will, I just want to glomp him!”  And really really early, like in the first couple of episodes, he was already striking me as INFJ(ij), both in appearance and decisions, although I didn’t get Justin’s second opinion about it until S2 because he gets shy about characters being like him. 😉

And Justin wants me to give the usual disclaimer:  There isn’t anything better about INFJ, unlike the internet might tell you (also be very skeptical if a test spits out INFJ for you like we’ve talked about elsewhere, because tests tell, I swear, like 95% of everyone that they’re INFJ.  Wish I were exaggerating).  But since I’m very protective of my INFJ(ij), and it’s my Paradoxitype, I think I’m allowed to have a favorite there.  Plus Will is just so sweet about how he approaches INFJ(ij).

I had to laugh when Jonathan basically quoted the Hercules Syndrome quote to Will in S2E1, “Do you want to be normal?  Do you want to be just like everyone else?”  Because even before, but especially after Will goes through the trauma of the Upside Down, he wishes he could just be like everybody else.  As befits INFJ type angst and tropes, Will wishes in a way that he had never fallen up into a wider world, where things are bigger than the people of Hawkins can comprehend.

Every cognition feels unwanted in its own way, and several fear they don’t belong in the group for various reasons, but what defines Hercules Syndrome differently from other Type Angsts is the INFJ core fear that, sure they can be liked and fit in when they hide their true selves, but if they were to show their true love of Principles and the wide world of Conceptual Meaning, that they would immediately be ostracized.

From the beginning, Will is happy to go along with what other people want, even if it’s not his first choice or favorite, just to feel accepted for a little while.  In order to feel accepted by his father, he goes cheerfully to baseball games, even though, as Jonathan points out, it’s just a ploy for Lonnie to get him to like “normal” things, showing how little Lonnie respects his son.  In S1 Will is bullied and called “fag” and “queer,” not actually for showing any sexual preference whatsoever (um, people discussing the sexual preferences of children always kind of squeems me out), but because he’s a sweet kid who likes to draw and think about good and evil, isn’t confident in himself and isn’t especially into sports or hunting, or things that people like Lonnie deem “manly.”  (Although, random note, I find it interesting that Jonathan hasn’t been hunting since he was ten, but Will knows how to load and aim a rifle in the first episode, which demonstrates that this isn’t a stupid, helpless kid, as much as people treat him like he can’t handle himself.)  But Will doesn’t feel the need to push the things he likes on other people; he just enjoys stuff, privately, and with others on those rare occasions when he finds other people who enjoy the same things.

And after he gets back from the Upside Down, it’s even worse.  Will just wants to have fun and tag along while his friends are “stalking” Max, or while they’re arguing the merits of nougat.  Heck, he’s even up for lame movies with Bob, if he can just feel like he’s just like everyone else for five minutes.  But he has been changed.  He’s like Frodo coming back to the Shire after being stabbed by a Morgul Blade; he can’t just pretend to be a normal little Hawkins Hobbit anymore.  And being hounded with the moniker “Zombie Boy” just serves as a constant reminder to Will of what’s really going on with him.

Because every time Will tries to just relax and have fun, his “episodes” are there to haunt him and to take control out of his hands.  So when Will reluctantly catches a ride to school with Bob, and Bob, in his sweet clueless way, shares his own experiences with fear that he honestly and naively thinks are the same as Will’s, Will has already been looking for solutions to his own problem.

I love the look on Will’s face as Bob tells him how “easy-peasy” it was for him to banish Mr. Baldo from his dreams, because I know that look.  It’s the look of an INFJ(ij), the deliberate corner, thinking “I can use this!”  Finally, after feeling as helpless as a baby, swept along with whatever the Smoke Monster wanted to do to him, finally he can take charge, of both his own mind and his own future.  He won’t have to have his mom at his elbow the rest of his life like he’s made of porcelain.  He can stand up to it like the man he wants to be.  The next time, he’ll be ready.

And the result of his attempt to simply tell the Smoke Monster to “go away!” is story gold and one of my favorite moments on film.  Seriously, I haven’t kept count of how many times I watched that single moment on repeat… which in a way makes me feel really terrible because it’s such an “Oh *beep*” moment, but it’s just done so well.

There’s a story mechanism that Robert McKee (ISFJ(ep) and so awesome) talks about in his book Story, called “the Principle of Antagonism” that Justin and I love to geek out about.  It’s essentially that moment in a story where the thing that you didn’t think was allowed to possibly go wrong, does; where as an audience we are like “surely the line of crap that can happen is here” and good authors go “um, nah, I’m going to take it over here.”  Not just putting characters through terrible things just for the sake of it, but instead taking your plot to a place where it seems like there can be no recovery and the audience has to wait and see how you didn’t just write yourself into a corner where the only answer is “they were dead all along” (speaking of smoke monsters…).

Justin’s favorite Principle of Antagonism moment to talk about is in Batman Begins: he always says that as soon as Ra’s al Ghul was allowed to actually release the fear toxin on Gotham, Justin thought “Okay, this is a good movie.  They actually did it!”

And that’s how Stranger Things S2 is for me.  I was enjoying every moment, and as an even mildly genre-savvy audience, we know that following Bob’s advice is a bad idea, as brave as it is when Will stops and turns to face a malicious sky octopus made of smoke.  But as soon as it kept going, right into Will’s very face, as he recalls with irony Bob’s couldn’t-be-more-incorrect words, I truly knew “I love this show.”

Okay, I know I’ve spent too long on Will, even though I could spend post upon post talking about facial expressions and reactions and the motives that each shot of Will Byers relays.  But I am fully aware that I haven’t gotten this obsessed with anything on film since I was a teenager and would pause our VHS of Mission: Impossible with Tom Cruise’s face upside down (only time I don’t have to capitalize that phrase in this post), or when I would watch all the hours of all the behind the scenes of all the Lord of the Rings movies into the wee hours of the morning.  (Okay, I still do that, but not as frequently as I used to.)  And I’m going to pretend that as an “adult” I know when to stop.

But it sufficeth me to say that I continued to want to glomp Will Byers throughout S2 (even though I’m terrible enough to have all his most traumatic moments be my very favorite in the show), if for no other reason than because I wish I could go back to when my little INFJ(ij) was 13 and glomp him.  I wish I could go back in time to let my little awkward preteen Paladin know that it was okay that he looked up into the stars and saw so much more there than most people did.  I wish I could tell him that it was not just okay that his mind worked the way it did, but that it was good.

Justin around age 10.  He put a ton of effort into making this Earth-egg with as accurately drawn continents as possible.  Thankfully, since this was taken in the early nineties instead of the early eighties, he does not have a coconut-head haircut.

I wish I could go back to when kids called him “Casper” and “Powder” (he actually tried taking iron for a while in response, to try to bring more color to his skin, my pale baby lol), or “Stupid Brainer,” that not only was it not because of anything he did wrong, but that someday when he got older… Well, honestly that people would call him terrible things as an adult too, because apparently most adults in our culture are middle schoolers too… but I would tell him that after that there would be a time where he would find people who really wanted him, for all he is and because he thinks the way he does, not in spite of it.

Although, with this one, taken in High School, you can kinda see his nineties butt-hair style under the gift bows.  The book he’s holding up, by the way, is the tabletop RPG GURPS, which, if you let him, he will still adamantly argue the advantages of, over DnD… You have been warned.

Because, Will Byerses of the world, even if you don’t have Joyces, Jonathans, Mikes, Lucases and Dustins in your life now, there are people out there who want you to be you, for the way you think and the things that matter to you.  And if you hold out for being friends with those people, instead of ones that make you feel like the stuff you care about is weird and unlikable, then all you have to say is “yes” when Mikes come into your life and ask if you want to be friends.

One last thing, even though I’m trying to avoid predictions (mostly because I don’t want the Duffer Brothers to be vengeful gods of changing future plot points based on audience guesses), but I have to throw out there that I hope Will gets to have more–how to put this–prowess, next series.  We’ve seen all along that Will isn’t dumb and that he isn’t weak.  By this point he’s figured out how to hide from an interdimensional venus flytrap/shark stalking him as prey, how to survive in a toxic, freezing parallel dimension of his hometown without food or water for a week, how to communicate with his mother from said dimension using only lights and a Clash song, and then has the mental and emotional strength not to totally lose himself while being mind-raped for an entire season.  If you don’t think by now that Will is a boss then we can’t be friends.

All that being said though, Will has spent two seasons having to be saved by other people, which he both appreciates and chafes about.  As Justin put it, he’s been a bit of a damsel in distress, two years in a row (which made me giggle for reasons).  Will deserves a chance to show what he can do when not up against ridiculously bad odds all by himself (being alone both in the Upside Down and in his own mind), and to show how strong he’s gotten through his ordeals and how much he can contribute to the group when he’s allowed to be actually present and himself.

Millie Bobby Brown, Eleven’s actress, in one of the official Behind the Scenes episodes, teased the possibility of Will getting powers of his own, (and Matt Duffer gave her a death stare) and while I’m afraid that invoking the possibility will keep it from happening (I need to go out in the cold, spin around three times and spit or something.  Such is my superstition at the writers’ altar), I think character arc-wise, that would be pretty perfect, in both a trope-tastic “villain giving his enemy powers” sort of way, ala Harry Potter, but also as it would give Will a little payback for all he had to go through.  Plus, you know, when filled with Smoke, he could affect lights and crap so… just saying, it has my vote.  #superWillByers2019  Just kidding, don’t start that as a hashtag, then it’ll never happen!

{Update: The Will section was one of the first I wrote, because of the weird hopping-around way I write things, but now they’re actually filming S3… which means you can probably hashtag anything you want and they probably can’t change the script too drastically at this point!  >:D muahaha!  I mean, probably… right?}

Joyce Byers
ISTJ(ep)*
The Natural Sentinel
A Natural Approach to Practical Trends
“Maybe I’m crazy.  Maybe I’m out of my mind!
But God help me, I will keep these lights up until the day I die,
if I think there’s a chance that Will’s still out there!”
ISTJ(ep) examples:  Ayn Rand, Arthur C. Clarke, Lady* – Disney’s Lady and the Tramp

Sometimes we like to tease that ST stands for “STubborn,” but that trait serves Joyce Byers well, as her persistence in the face of opposition from multiple dimensions leads her to be able to save and protect her boy over and over, when repeatedly the common consensus was to give up on him as lost.  But her bravery, sticktoitiveness, and loving practicality save not just Will over and over again, but give everyone the heart and strength to keep going against terrible odds.  Since so few adults know the whole plight of the ensemble, Joyce moms everyone involved.  She really is the Stranger Things mom in so many ways… no offense Steve. 😉

A moment that says everything about Joyce Byers as a character is the first time she notices the lights being affected.  She’s just heard Will’s voice over the phone, instead of just his breathing.  She’s been following her natural (ep) hunches, in ways she can’t really explain deliberately, hoping they’re steering her in the right direction.  But now, after he said “Mom,” she knows he’s alive.  She’s trying to figure out where he is, and then it’s stolen from her with her second phone shorting out.  She’s scared and frustrated, and feels like she’s reached a dead-end.  But then the lights start blinking.

She’s known something weird is going on, but since she specializes in making Use of the World as it is, she’s really not okay with being thrown this curveball of the world not acting the way it’s supposed to.  And yet her love for Will, and her desperation to find something, anything, any clue that might possibly help her find out what has happened to her son, overcomes any temptation she may have had to turn a blind eye and ignore any instances of the world not behaving in the ways she’s used to.

And then the wall bends.  And she gets the crap out of there, fueled by pure adrenaline to get to her car.  She’s ready to pull away, run as far and as fast as possible… But then the lights start blinking again, and the Clash is playing again.  It’s like Will himself is singing to her.  She’s still not sure what is going on, but she is not going to leave her baby back there alone with whatever just happened.

So, with no idea what she’ll find if she returns inside the house, Joyce goes back anyway.  She doesn’t go back because she isn’t scared, she goes back because that’s who she is: the kind of woman and mother who refuses to let her boy down, no matter the odds and no matter how crazy she might sound.

Things keep getting in the way of her Usefully Protecting her family—death, illness, demogorgons and smoke monsters—but Joyce is intrepid.  She won’t be fooled when the Establishment itself tries to replace her son with a dummy.  She doesn’t care about her own image at a farcical funeral.  She fearlessly faces Dr. Brenner when imprisoned in Hawkins Lab, when he tries to manipulate her the way he’s manipulated everyone else, looking him in the eye and saying, “I know who you are, and I know what you’ve done.”  She even strides into an alternate hell-dimension without hesitation, because she knows she is so close to saving her boy.  And after she gets Will back, she doesn’t want to let him leave her sight.  She’s ready to kill when she finds out Will’s being bullied, and she doesn’t doubt for a moment that the smoke-monster, as revealed on Bob’s camera, is a real danger.  Over and over, Joyce Byers is the unstoppable mother bear ready to protect not only Will, but anyone else endangered by the sinister forces at work in her world.

I think I’ll forever remember the way I felt the first time I saw S1E3, “Holly Jolly.”  After the tender excitement we feel along with Joyce when the Christmas lights first light up, unplugged and on their own, and after it’s even so effective as to let Will spell out words, we feel real hope with her.  Maybe now, finally, she and we can get some answers.  But then the kids follow the cops to the quarry, and they pull “the body” out of the water.  (Peter Gabriel’s cover of David Bowie’s “Heroes” is just perfect in that part.)  I think I was still watching alone at that point (I watched the first few by myself before telling Justin how much he needed to see it).  And when I saw the body with Will’s puffy vest thing, my gut reaction was, “But…no… but he was just talking to Joyce!  It was him!  We know he’s alive! Don’t we…?”  I second-guessed my conclusions, even as an audience member.  Maybe I was missing something, and Will was really truly dead.

It makes so much more sense that Will simply fell into the quarry.  It’s the simpler answer.  There’s nothing weird or magical going on; Will just died, and Joyce is just in denial.  Perfectly normal.  That’s how reality works, after all, right?  The simpler answer (as if that’s not a subjective word or anything) tends to be the right one.

So how much more must Joyce doubt her own experience, as she’s the only person she’s aware of who believes Will is still alive?  When Lonnie, the police, and even Jonathan tell her that she’s losing her grip on reality?

It’s hard for me to share how much I know that feeling.  When you know the things you’ve felt and seen and what you’ve been through, and you’ve gone over them a million times, looking for bias or flaws in your perception, and you still can’t deny what has literally happened.  But you know how much standing by it makes you seem just totally bonkers.

ISTJ’s Type Angst, Thranduil Denial, has the core fear of not having a place in the world.  We see for Joyce that, after her relationship with Lonnie fell through, most likely along with many of her hopes and dreams, she really found safety and refuge in her boys.  They became her place in the world, maybe especially Will who still needed her to protect him, in a way that Jonathan tried not to.  So when Will is suddenly snatched out of her life, and when Jonathan doesn’t believe her, it’s as if any place she may have still had in the world is now gone.  She’s left completely alone.

But she knows what she heard on the phone.  She knows what happened with the wall, and the Christmas lights, and the painted letters telling her to run, and the monstrosity without a face.  Even before she sees the poor excuse for her boy on the autopsy table, she doesn’t believe it can be him.  And after she sees it, she knows for sure, and it doesn’t matter how much Jonathan shouts at her on the street or how much Lonnie calls her insane; Joyce Byers holds on.  It’s who she is, as a healthy Natural Sentinel.  When she knows there is even a small chance to save the people she loves, she is not going to let go, and nobody is going to get in her way.

Joyce could have let her ISTJ Thranduil Denial cause her to collapse into bitterness.  She could have given into her fear, letting it tell her, “Maybe I don’t have a place in the world.  Maybe I am just crazy.  I must have imagined what I saw…and heard…and experienced…yeah…”  And if she had, she would never have found Will, or been there to comfort and protect Eleven, and maybe the demogorgon would never have been stopped.

But throughout both S1 and S2, Joyce stands as a quiet, natural rock for all those around her.  She is a Sentinel of hope and tenacity, of enduring and uncompromising love.  She doesn’t give in to her fears, because she knows they aren’t true.  In her case as a natural ISTJ, she knows that she does have a place in the world, that her boys are depending on her, and that Hopper, Eleven, and the other kids need her too.  Joyce will always have a place in the world, because the world will always need someone willing to stand and defend people in danger from those callous enough, evil enough, or simply selfish enough to let them suffer.

She’s an example to all of us of how to handle our deepest, most persistent fears, no matter what they are.  We can give in, we can try to appear sensible to people around us, or we can have the guts to stand for what we really know needs to be done.  And when we do, we can save the Wills and Elevens in our lives, even if we have to look crazy or stupid in the meantime.  We can be such a rock of stability, safety, and warmth to everyone we interact with, lifting the lives of those who need it the most, simply by having the courage to stand for the things we know.

Jonathan Byers
ISTP(ij)*
The Deliberate Weapons Specialist
A Deliberate Approach to Practical Objects and Situations
“…you shouldn’t like things because people tell you you’re supposed to.”
ISTP(ij) examples: Theodore Roosevelt, Kurt Cobain, Natasha Romanoff* – Avengers

I guess the Jonathan section is the ideal place to talk briefly about how much I love the music of Stranger Things, as Jonathan serves as the emissary for a lot of the music.

I’ve always loved “oldies” and I blame/thank my mom for that; my first crush was Paul McCartney and I knew bands like Three Dog Night, The Monkees, and Herman’s Hermits before I knew the 90s stuff that was on the radio when I was a kid.  But in High School I kind of discovered 80s music on my own.  I’d already known 80s party music (Cyndi Lauper, “Forever Young,” that sort of thing), but once I really discovered Tears for Fears and the Cure, I just melted.  There’s a thrilling quality to 80s rock that I struggle to define, something that finds hope and excitement in the electric future, and yet a quiet, sad nostalgia at the past.  Those are attributes I find enticing, if you haven’t gathered that by this point.

My friends always thought I had odd taste, and would often make faces when I popped in a CD I’d burned myself.  My genre and decade tastes were just all over the place.  I just liked what I liked.

And like Jonathan, I’ve always sort of immersed myself in my music and let myself get the feels out by letting music express the feelings I just don’t feel like I can.

If you’re interested, you can find my “Stranger Things Radio” here, the Pandora station that I made to assist with writing and have listened to for 8 months straight.  Hopefully it passes along the songs okay.  It has not only 80s classics, but soundtrack stuff that goes along with the incredible vibe that Kyle Dixon and Michael Stein created for the show.  It’s got all the good stuff.  (And I would now totally pwn in an 80s “Name that tune” competition.)

And I love 80s music all the more now for it, and Jonathan has excellent taste.  Sometimes The Smiths are so beautiful and lingering that I want to cry.I really think of Joy Division’s “Atmosphere” as Jonathan’s song, seeing as it’s the song he decides to use for comfort when they find his little brother and best friend’s “body.”  And that sequence really shows the contrast between how Jonathan and Joyce are handling the news of Will’s supposed demise.  (I actually hadn’t heard of Joy Division before Stranger Things and I originally thought Jonathan said “Joey Division” lol.  I blame actor Charlie Heaton’s Britishness slightly coming through in that moment.  I had loved New Order since high school and I just discovered they were the spiritual successor.)

Both ISTs, Joyce and Jonathan specialize in the Use of how things already are.  Neither of them feel at all safe with the world they knew suddenly being swept away from under their feet.  When Joyce insists that Will is somehow still alive, Jonathan shows some of the coping effects of ISTP Snape Superiority, however understandably, denying things that are outside his experience.  He’s not okay with acknowledging it even as a possibility that this thing so far outside his experience could happen, so he’s really afraid that his mom is just losing it.

Our Type Angsts like Snape Superiority are an interesting mix of how we interpret all interactions based on our desires and fears, and the way that people actually treat us based on how our way of thinking is different from the rest of humanity.  (And when we get unhealthy, our fears often lead us to fall into the very things we fear, creating self-fulfilling type fears, but that’s a discussion for another day.) Every time I hear the line of Atmosphere, “People like you find it easy” sung rather angrily, I feel like that’s how Jonathan feels about people.  That everyone around him finds it easy to be open and vapid to the world, “Naked to see, Walking on air.”

What is often misunderstood is that ISTPs similar to Jonathan Byers aren’t distant because they’re socially unaware; instead, they dislike the lack of authenticity that accompanies so much of human interaction.  Since ISTPs focus foremost on the useful conclusions that can be drawn from situations as they’ve experienced them, for them Data is just right there, in the palm of their hand, totally authentic and candid.  Yet I’ve seen too many ISTPs treated like that up-front Data-tangibility lacks social subtlety.

Sure, sometimes ISTPs can be super goofy and loud and social, especially some subtypes.  After all, we’ve never defined cognitive Introversion/Extraversion as social introversion/extroversion around here, and my cognitive Introvert can often be far more talkative than I am, given the right audience.  We love when ISTPs feel comfortable being boisterous and social, like we see in ISTP(ij) Chris Pratt or ISTP(ip) Adam Savage of Mythbusters.

But as cognitive Introverts, ISTPs operate inside themselves first, processing Data for its useful applications, and then they follow that up in their second step with Observing possibilities that can be generated from how things currently exist.  Yet I repeatedly see ISTPs being guilted for being internal foremost, and for the utterly frank way in which they view the Situational Details that construct the world around them.

As an EP, Observation of people is my first and strongest Cognition Step, but I’m often in awe of what healthy IPs bring to Observation.  Sometimes I’m especially in awe of ISTPs, as they have that fascinating two-off relationship to me, where changing two letters can often have more similarities than changing just one.  So I love to hear the insight that a healthy ISTP can bring to the Observation of people, noticing what experienced Situations reflect about individuals in such a straightforward way, when my ENP people-concepts brain often makes things way too complicated for its own good.

I stand to benefit so much from Observations like the ones Jonathan makes in Stranger Things, but which I often struggle to state and internalize so matter-of-factly on my own.  Jonathan’s situational sum-ups are some of my favorite verbage in the show, whether it’s the quote I picked for this section, his incisive monologue to Nancy about the future that awaits her, or his epic explanation to Will as to why he’d “rather be best friends with ‘Zombie Boy’ than with a boring nobody.”  And then “nobody normal ever accomplished anything meaningful in this world,” is one that hit me like a truck, and I still have a hard time internalizing it.

Jonathan knows what he likes and what he doesn’t like, and he doesn’t like things because others tell him to, as he states.  But in S1, he’s also struggling to like himself.  He knows that he doesn’t want to be a vapid teenager, and he worries that even though Nancy stands out, that she’s becoming that way.  I think that’s at least part of why he watches her from a distance, even though he gets pegged as a creeper for it: because he’s hoping she’ll be more mature and real than the other girls, like he’s seen her be over the years.  But he’s also afraid he’ll be disappointed in her, like everyone his age has seemed to disappoint him.  He hopes she’ll still be the smart, strong, independent, and confident girl he’s seen her be in the past, yet he’s worried that the more she spends time with the shallow people that he’s avoided for so long, the more she’ll end up becoming just like them.

But Jonathan doesn’t really feel confident in how he approaches the world either.  In some ways, he defines himself by his ISTP fear of never being a part of the group, which is still, beneath it all, defining himself by the group’s rules.  It seems to be a recurrent theme in Stranger Things that if you try to define yourself as not being part of the establishment, then you end up playing by their rules.  You end up just as controlled by them as if you tried to define yourself by blindly fitting in.  Only by growing to know ourselves can we be more than puppets of the same-old-thing herd, and growing to know ourselves is never easy.  It requires facing our fears rather than hiding from them, admitting when we were wrong rather than running to a moral high-ground, and maybe most of all, learning to see the world through the eyes of those we thought we could never agree with.

By S2, Jonathan knows himself much better.  He goes towards the things he loves, instead of away from the things he hates and fears.  He still dislikes vapidity, but he doesn’t feel the need to hide from it anymore.  And that self-knowledge is what enables him to give Will that epic speech about not being like everyone else.  I’ve received a new love for ENFJ(ej) David Bowie from it, and it helped me embrace that it’s okay to “Be a Bowie” and that standing out doesn’t have to be a bad thing.  You know, it’s one of those things you already know in your head, but you need to hear someone say anyway.

Jonathan and Will are true Enigmatypes, which is a fun type relationship (yet another type relationship that we haven’t explained in-depth here yet).  Your Enigmatype is someone who’s similar to you at heart, and yet so tantalizingly different, that they never stop being a constant mystery to watch.  It comes up fairly often in healthy marriages and epic friendships.  Enigmatypes use all the Functions in the same direction (inward or outward), and also Perceive in the exact same way.  For cognitive Introverts, that means drawing Observation from an understanding of the Situation, and for cognitive Extraverts, it means the opposite order, drawing Situational understanding from people Observation.  This results in a letter pattern where Enigmatypes share only their first letter (E or I), with all others being different.  So each of our Enigmatype’s cognitive steps functions very similarly to our own, yet they put it to such different purposes than we do, that they constantly surprise and intrigue us.  And while Enigmatypes of any subtype share this exciting and close relationship, “true” Enigmatypes are the same subtype as each other.We see this relationship between ISTP(ij) Jonathan and INFJ(ij) Will, and it’s very sweet.  They get each other, and yet continually provide a fresh, ever-new point of view for one another about everything.  Jonathan never gets enough of Will’s sincerity, his unassuming wisdom, and his quietly confident poise.  And Will is always in awe of Jonathan’s social self-sufficiency, his straightforward practicality, and his independent enjoyment of the things he likes for his own reasons, and nobody else’s.  Throughout the show we see how incredibly important Will is to Jonathan, and what a steady mentor Jonathan is for Will.  They each support, encourage, and inspire the other, in such nearly opposite ways.  Each makes life and the whole world so much fuller, safer, and better for the other.

I don’t have a favorite type.  They’re like my bebes ?, no favorites.  But I’ve had particularly endearing interactions with some of my favorite ISTPs lately and it’s made me think about them with even more caring and compassion.  I’ve come to have a lot of concern lately for how often ISTPs are actually estranged from the group, as they fear they will be, simply because their way of approaching the world is regarded unfairly.  All too often, I see ISTPs being treated like they must interact with the group in the same way as others in order for their offering to the group to be acceptable, instead of being invited to offer what they alone can.

So ISTP’s core fear does often happen, at least in the short term; they are often not a part of the group, although the reasons for that vary.  Yet I think a lot of cool ISTPs would be well-served to know, as Jonathan seems to know pretty well, especially by S2, that if the group doesn’t want the awesome way that they process and interact with the world, then they’re probably better off remaining on the outside until a better group is found.

Steve Harrington
ESTP(ij)*
The Deliberate Spartan
A Deliberate Approach to Practical Reactions
“I may be a pretty $#^&@* boyfriend, but turns out I’m actually a pretty d@^# good babysitter.”
ESTP(ij) examples: Tom Cruise, Chloe Bennett, Disney’s Aladdin*

Steve was going to be a cliche, just the typical teen-movie jock trope, but I love that the reason he became such a three-dimensional character with his very own plot arc, and even an epic bromance in S2, was because actor Joe Kerry was just too dang charming.  Just like, from what I gather, Poe Dameron in Star Wars; actor Oscar Isaac, who is also ESTP(ij) (as is the character) was just too lovable to get killed in Episode VII like he was supposed to.  ESTPs, I tell you, how can we not be won over?

But in all seriousness, I love Steve’s character arc so much.  Rewatching the thirdish time, I really studied Steve’s decisions to see when and how he really changed.  Because Steve Harrington really does start out being a douchebucket.  Barb reads him right; even though Nancy does stand out among the girls he’s dated, he does seem to expect her to be basically the same as the other girls he’s conquested.  Sure, she’s more of a challenge, and he does clearly respect her more, with as much respect as Steve feels for anyone early on.  She is a more worthy conquest, but still a conquest.

So why does he change?  Well to understand the answer to that question, we have to understand why he was being such a jerk in the first place.  What makes such a charmer, who shows so much growth later, be such a self-centered tool to start out with?

I really think this comes down to the low expectations placed on Steve throughout his life.  He’s an EP living in an EJ (Action) world.  On the one hand, he feels like the king of Motives and Observation, being able to charm girls with ease by seeing exactly what they want and surfing their reactions as ESTPs excel at, and able to charm his way out of trouble too.  But on the other hand, he’s used to no one observing his true motives or calling him on anything.  He doesn’t have to be real with anyone because no one will see the difference.  Everyone just looks at his actions and no one expects or really cares if he’s actually a good person or anything.

And his parents don’t care.  As long as he doesn’t get caught for doing stupid stuff and grows up to be able to get “insurance and benefits and all that adult stuff,” then what difference does it make to them?  After all, between whatever Steve’s dad’s business is, apparently he has wandering eyes and hands (as Steve implies his mom is right to not trust his dad when he leaves on business, like it’s just how things are).

Steve’s been taught that no one gives a #=@$ about the kind of person he is, so long as he doesn’t get caught doing some action he was told not to.  He doesn’t even expect his friends to be decent.  He has that very ESTP pessimism of “have to work with the people I have, because no one is really good.”

And already at the beginning of the show, Nancy is changing that some.  She’s special to him, the princess in the tower, not just another easy girl.  She does expect more of him and he likes that.  But even as late as when Steve sings into the bat and teases Nancy that he looks like Tom Cruise (I have to rofl any time Facial Typing is referenced without knowing it, heehee), he is still expecting to get away with the bare minimum of action.  “I’m doing what you do to apologize!  I’m doing sorry actions…  That’s supposed to work and you’re supposed to fall all over me…”

But Nancy doesn’t.  As she realizes the consequences her bad motives had on Barb, she doesn’t find Steve’s imitation of caring to be enough anymore.  But it isn’t until she really truly chooses defending Jonathan over him that Steve really stops to consider his own flaws and consider that it isn’t just his actions that are being douchey, but his motives too.

He knows better than to let his terrible friends call Nancy a slut, but he hopes that she’s in the wrong enough for him to take the high ground.  He certainly feels hurt enough to tell himself it’s all her fault.  And he really knows he’s pushing the limits by saying so many terrible things about the Byers family to Jonathan, especially when…  Wow everyone thinks Will is dead at that point, so yeah that’s really horrible.

But I know that feeling, at least to some degree, when you feel so hurt that you want to maim someone else’s feelings, even though you know it’s a terrible, mean thing to do, but you just want to damage in turn.  When Steve is being awful, he isn’t justified, but he is understandable, which is different.

Then, after getting his butt kicked, Steve has some hard reflection.  He grows truly ashamed of himself, and ashamed of the sources he’s trusted in his “friends.”  And I think the embarrassment helps too.  This is how far he’s fallen?  He’s desperate enough to fight for Jonathan Byers’s scraps?  But Nancy isn’t scraps, and he treated her like she was.  He realizes how much he sucks, tbh, and how much he doesn’t want to be like the “miserable” people around him.

I think that’s when Steve realizes how much he looks up to Nancy, when he was previously treating her like he could teach her so much about the world, and protect her.  Which makes it all the funnier when he shows up to apologize for real to Jonathan, to try and be more the man she would want, and Nancy waves a gun in his face.  Not only does Steve suddenly realize he has no crap what is going on, he realizes Nancy is not at all a damsel in distress, but a hard-core knight fighting her own battles.

Which brings up another aspect of Steve and Nancy’s relationship which I think is too perfect: they’re true Covetypes.  Now I don’t have a post on the main site about Covetypes yet, but it’s what it sounds like: the type you covet/feel jealous of, for the way they get treated and their strengths.  It can actually be very powerful to learn from your Covetype, after you stop being so jealous of their results.  EP and IJ Covetypes are reciprocal, while it’s different for EJs and IPs, but I’m not going to go into that atm, but anyway ESTP(ij) and INTJ(ep) are true Covetypes, down to the subtype.

Early on, we see that longing from Nancy; she wishes she could be a part of Steve’s exciting, charming world, getting the reactions she wants and living seemingly free from consequences.  But the course of the story shows a Nancy who doesn’t want that anymore.  She stops being ashamed of her INTJ and starts owning being a girl with a useful plan.  Then in turn, Steve starts to see not only that he wants to deserve someone like Nancy, but how much he wishes he were like her.

And I feel like once he really lets Nancy be her own woman, be truly strong and in charge of her own destiny, that’s when Steve Harrington is able to become so much more than charming or even sweet, like he’s become by the end of S1, but truly heroic and self-sacrificing as he demonstrates being in S2.

I mean, for the record, he acts truly selfless by the end of S1, more on that later.  But I love how in S2 he helps Dustin and protects the kids without expecting any sort of acknowledgment from Nancy, just because he cares and, in his words, is that good of a babysitter.

I’ll never get over how in-there ESTPs always get.  Doesn’t matter how dirty or difficult the situation, ESTPs throw themselves at it like a nail-bat at a demodog head.  Totally in whatever moment, full of selfness, Steve earns the title “Spartan” with fierce getting-it-done-ness.

Human bait?  Sure, why not, if it’s what needs to be done.  Farrah Fawcett spray?  Hey, if it works; the proof is in the hair.  Steve isn’t above doing what it takes for the reactions he wants, using what’s right there at his fingertips with impressive uptake.  He obviously feels his Jayne Justification fear of not being smart enough, especially compared to Covetype Nancy, but he clearly underestimates just how situationally and possibility-intelligent he truly is.

While I think Jonathan and Nancy are a great pairing and I think I ship them, Steve is a particular favorite of mine.  (Although, for the record, Covetypes actually seem to get together a fair amount with often great, adorable success, especially ETP guys and ITJ girls as a trend.)

By the end of S2, Steve has become a true hero, and not for the reasons that I think he originally expected.  Steve wanted to do the charming, manly actions and get the princess, but instead he lets her go, and cares about helping Dustin and the other kids when nobody is watching.  He does it because caring defines the person he’s become, instead of the person he was acting like.

Sure, Steve claims he’s just protecting the kids because otherwise he’ll get blamed if they get hurt.  But honestly, his actions demonstrate much better motives than his loving name-calling lets on.  He doesn’t have to go ahead of all the kids into the very bowels of the beast, but he does.  He doesn’t have to stay behind to get eaten by a pack of demodogs charging toward them, in order to get the last kids up the rope, but he does.  And he certainly doesn’t have to be Dustin’s ride to the Snow Ball and try to give him girl and hair advice, but he does.

Steve is no longer focused on “how can I look like I care, in order to get the reactions I want?” instead he actually cares.  So that in the end, Dustin’s right: Steve’s awesome.

“Mad” Max Mayfield
ISTP(ej)
The Supercharged Weapons Specialist
A Supercharged Approach to Practical Objects and Situations
“See?  Zoomer.”
ISTP(ej) examples: Christina Ricci, Les Stroud (Survivorman), GoGo Tomago* – Big Hero 6

A rare case for Stranger Things, MadMax is one of the few characters not played by an actor of the same cognition.  Although with Sadie Sink (which I think is an adorable name) being ESTJ(ej), the actress and character are same-sub Patronatypes, which is a relationship that shows up as having an affinity often.  They both have the Supercharged approach to Specific ST.

But Max’s Type Angst fear of Snape Superiority plays a large role in her arrival in the show.  Actually, part of what makes Max work so well as a new character in S2 is her struggling with ISTP’s core fear of not being part of the group.  Which then Mike throws in her face, telling her essentially “that’s right, don’t think you’re one of us.”

Max struggles back and forth to know if she should keep trying to see if these “stalkers” actually want her and if she can fit in with the misfits, or if she should pretend she doesn’t even want to fit in, owning her (ej) “that’s right, I don’t fit in the group” and just go play Dig Dug and skateboard alone the rest of her days.

Max seems used to being ignored, and like at home she prefers it, as opposed to getting undesirable attention from Billy, her step-father, or even her mom, who the few times we see her seems overly focused on appearances.  When she’s alone, Max can play by her own rules.  She doesn’t have a problem going into the boys’ locker room or picking locks; she’s proud of being able to fend for herself.  She’s a specialized Zoomer, and she knows she’s good at what she specializes in.

In a similar way to fellow ISTP(j) Jonathan, Max knows her own worth, and would rather be enjoying situations alone than surrendering to other people’s way of doing things.  But that often means she truly is outside the group.

Lucas works hard to include Max, even when it puts him in deep water with both Mike and jealous Dustin.  But then when Max listens to her Snape Superiority, it makes her skeptical not only of Lucas’s far-fetched story, but also of the idea that he’d include her in something so personal, especially when no one ever does.  She’s never experienced anything so fantastical as dimension-hopping creatures with no faces…or being included in life-altering secrets, which may be the harder thing for her to believe.

So she throws it in Lucas’s face, considering both his story and his motives to be far too ludicrous to be believed.  Easier to believe that they just don’t want her around; that’s what she’s used to by experience, after all.  It’s as if she’s testing him: “I won’t trust that you care about me, unless you can handle me at my worst.  Try my Snape Superiority on for size, and if you run away, then fine, you’re just like everyone else ever.”

Lucas tries to prove his honesty with the noble ISTJ Principle, “friends don’t lie.  Never ever, no matter what,” but Max immediately calls him on the apparent exception, that he just lied to her.  His response shows his healthy awareness of Motives (which has grown so much since early S1), explaining why she had left him with no choice.  In other words, she had not been being a friend to him, thus necessitating the Dig Dug out-of-order lie.

Lucas gets across to Max that the situation really is that dire, despite being outside her experience.  He’s learned, through his epic growth arc S1, that there’s more to the world than his own personal experience had ever imagined.  So now he’s equipped to use his IJ-ST first step of World Trends to help Max with her last step of knowing how the world as a whole works.  He’s prepared now to show her that there is so much more than she realizes going on…if only she’ll give him a chance.

And though she’s still wary, Max does begin to see that Lucas is actually trusting her with things that matter in his life.  That he never wanted to treat her like garbage, he never wanted to exclude her or make her feel unwanted.  It was just that these things were that dangerous, that special, and that far outside of what she knew.

So when a frustrated Dustin goes overboard in pushing her away, it’s really the last straw in pushing her into Lucas’s arms.  Lucas put effort into pulling her into the group, repeatedly.  He kept at it even when she was trying to push him away, like she probably has pushed everyone away for a long time, in an effort to feel safe.

And on top of the bus in the night, she apologizes.  She lets Lucas know that she’s sorry she closes up and comes off hard, sorry that she gets angry.  The last thing she wants is to be like Billy, with his anger and hatred and belittling of other people.  But in that moment, Lucas gives her hope that she’s not like that at all, that she’s “cool and different and super smart…”  Basically, he lets her know that he does want her, all of her, even after seeing her angry and scared and hopeless.So when Max initiates the kiss with Lucas at the Snow Ball, and then leans against him, it’s like it’s the first time that she’s ever felt fully safe with anyone else; safe not being alone.  She doesn’t have to hide behind Snape Superiority anymore, hiding in her specialized skills to dull the pain of feeling forever rejected.  No matter what ends up happening with Max and Lucas’s blossoming romance, Lucas has shown her that she can be accepted for the passionate, intense, Supercharged Zoomer that she is.  She never has to feel outside the group, ever again.

Murray Bauman
INTP(ip)*
The Comfortable Alchemist
A Comfortable Approach to Expectable Objects and Situations
“You’re being naive, Nancy!
Those people…they’re not wired like me and you, okay?
They don’t spend their lives trying to get a look at what’s behind the curtain.
They like the curtain.  It provides them stability, comfort, definition.
This…this would open the curtain, and open the curtain behind that curtain, okay?”
INTP(ip) examples: Edgar Allan Poe, Joseph Stalin, Ben Urich* – Netflix’s Daredevil

I went back and forth on the INTP(ip) examples for Murray because we’ve found so many examples of the Data corner, all of whom have been prime examples of specializing in how to find the right Data and Details to get the most use out of situations, in a comfortable, water-like manner.  I considered Mark Twain, Friedrich Nietzsche, Sergei Eisenstein, Charles Darwin, or Douglas Adams, but ultimately went with Stalin because vodka.  I also really like “because vodka” as an explanation for doing something, and it seems appropriate to Murray’s character.

Murray dispels the annoyingly recurrent stereotype that Perceivers don’t have drive.  He’s a charmingly intense rejection of the ubiquitous and ridiculous simplification that those who focus primarily on exploring options and branching out into more possible ways to act, couldn’t be imagined to work toward goals, be ambitious, or get things done when the topic is of value to them.  Murray will stop at nothing to find out the truth he knows is hidden deep within the wells of Data he’s collected in his jazz hermit cave.  He just has to figure out how all the pieces fit together.

I think at the core of Murray’s drive to pursue Barb’s disappearance the way he does, is a healthy desire to find the truth that makes situations tick.  Yet there is also the pull of his own Type Angst, Moriarty Fear.  INTPs fear that if they aren’t the very best, the cream of the crop, in their chosen specialization, then they’re totally obsolete.

From his backstory described behind the scenes, Murray has been shamed and derided for pursuing hidden data in the past.  He struggles to find his way back to feeling the best at what he does, with intense effort, (ip) denying the voice in the back of his mind telling him that it’s all a worthless waste.  Just a one-off of Lovecraft, including subtype, Murray has a reverence for the size and complexity of the world, even if it drives him to cynicism and drink.

I like seeing the similarities and differences between Murray and Ben Urich, from Netflix’s Daredevil; both clever diggers in the field of truth, and yet both with enough painful past experience to know that you don’t tango casually with your enemies, especially enemies with money, power, resources, and social perception on their side.  Though it’s interesting how Ben Urich tries to play by the established rules, staying way under the radar when he colors outside the lines, while Murray feels so burned by that same establishment that he lives his whole life coloring as far from the lines as possible.

Data, data, data, data, all connected, data, data, data…

Also, I like comparing the similarities in relationships between Murray and Nancy, and Ben and Karen (INFJ(ep)*, so just a one-off from Nancy’s INTJ(ep)*), raising investigative protégés and helping them navigate the dark world of media perception.

In the official behind the scenes, Murray and Nancy’s actors, Brett Gelman and Natalia Dyer, talk about this dynamic:
Natalia: “I think there is definitely a Nancy-Murray connection, of their need to figure things out.  He’s like way more on it, and Nancy’s sort of just figuring it out about herself…”
Brett: “I think he sees [Nancy] as like, ‘Oh, this is a young me.’”

Murray refuses to sugar-coat the situation for Nancy, in usual INTP fashion.  But you can see how much he cares about her future and potential, bringing some of his ENFJ Veteran Paradoxitype to bear.

I think Nancy gives Murray hope.  Not just hope of discovering the truth, but hope that he can teach someone not to make the same mistakes that he feels he’s made along the way.  Writing this now, I realize that that’s the same reason my INTP(ip) dad teaches me things: to try to protect me from making mistakes that he feels like he’s made.

I think that’s why Murray is also so pleased to be insightful into Nancy and Jonathan’s relationship.  He feels like he can pave the way for them to be more honest and real in their relationship than maybe he was able to be in his, and can kind of live vicariously through a relationship with a happier ending than his own.  Aw, poor Murray, that makes me really sad.

But Murray does see success of his own.  Through his patient sitting on his nest of Data, and knowing exactly how to use it to get the expected Situation he wants, he is able to bring closure to Barb’s family, closure to his own disgrace, and triumphantly sit and gloat in the sun over pulling Hawkins Lab’s pants down.

And I am far too proud of his stick figure robe and comb-over, so marvel at your leisure.

Barb Holland
ESFP(ep)*
The Natural Morale Officer
A Natural Approach to Enjoyable Reactions
“This isn’t you.”
ESFP(ep) examples: Emily Murphy (Canadian activist), Andrew Zimmern, Peregrin “Pippin” Took – The Lord of the Rings

We’ve all been Barb.  Where you go to the party or to hang out with people, who you know in your head aren’t safe people to spend time with.  Maybe you go because you hope it’ll be fun, or because you want to be a part of things, of “normal” teenagedom.  Or maybe, like Barb, you go because you want to support a friend who wants to feel a part of things.  But you go and it’s even worse than you thought.

Everyone is being dumb, and trying to prove to each other how cool they are, and if you don’t want to do the things that they’re doing, which are obviously going to get them hurt, possibly physically but at least emotionally, then you’re ignored at best, and at worst treated like a wet-blanket with negative implications on your character.  And you wish you could just go home, but all you can do is sit there, stuck painfully people-watching, because it doesn’t matter if individuals there are supposed to be your friends, in truth you are entirely alone, and wish you could be literally so, because that would be better than having to watch someone you know and love totally betray themselves for a brief stint in the social sunlight.

No?  Just me?  Okay.  Well, I was definitely a Barb in High School.

A picture I took of myself at 17 after going stag to homecoming (which wasn’t even my homecoming), and trying to pretend I’d had a good time. I was somewhere between Barb and Nancy at that point, as far as feeling like it was my responsibility to work hard to fit in. I still totally have and fit into that dress btw.

I’m trying to decide though if I would have stayed, for my Nancy, if she had asked me to leave like Barb.  A lot of the times that I’ve felt like Barb in my life, I didn’t really have a choice if I wanted to leave or not.  I had ridden in someone else’s car, or had some obligation to stay.  I think now, as an adult, most of the time I would leave for helpful reasons, “you’re on your own while you’re being this stupid, call me when you figure it out” reasons, but I wonder if I would have stayed when I was Barb’s age because I was so scared to burn bridges, so scared of losing friends.  But I think Barb’s reasons for staying are more than that.

I think part of Barb is so stunned by how much her very best friend, whom she knows (and as an EP, nothing means more than knowing someone through and through), is being so untrue to the clever, strong person she knows she is.  “You’re not this stupid,” Barb says beforehand, but she’s shocked to see that maybe Nancy is being that stupid.  With Nancy’s last step of character judgment being Barb’s first step, Barbara has to just look on in stunned horror as she sees Nancy totally failing the Observation game of Steve’s intentions and the bad place where Barb can tell those intentions will lead: first and foremost of Nancy being a puppet over a boy’s affections, letting him lead her down whatever path he wants, with just a charming line and good hair.  Okay, really good hair.

So I think at first Barb hopes that Nancy will come back downstairs, make some excuse with Steve, and leave.  But when Nancy outright rejects Barb’s Observations, basically saying “back off, I want this thing, even though I know it’s dumb,” I think Barb stays because she’s worried.  Because she’s aching for Nancy and scared to leave her alone, not scared to leave her with Steve so much as with this new version of herself.

I know the feeling also, all too well, when you feel so slapped in the face by what just happened, that you just don’t know what to do.  I think it’s a particularly EP(ep) thing (speaking from too much experience), when all of the Action options seem too painful and consequence-inducing, so you just sit, and sit, and hope that something falls on you that makes the world feel right-side up again.  Heh, I didn’t even pick that wording on purpose, but it’s tragically fitting, given that what comes for Barb next isn’t the hope she so desperately needed, sitting there alone, but something that would mean that her world would never be right-side up again.

Makes me wonder how many tragedies in real life have followed the words “it’s no big deal.”

Bob Newby
ENFP(ep)
The Natural Standard Bearer
A Natural Approach to Edifying Reactions
“It’s gonna be okay.  Remember, Bob Newby, superhero.”
ENFP(ep) examples:  C.S. Lewis, Stephenie Meyer, Cory Matthews* – Boy Meets World

I don’t feel like I have a lot of words to say about Bob Newby.  Like everyone else, at the beginning of S2, I was thinking, “Well, I love Sean Astin, but he sure is good at playing this guy as a goober.”  (That’s a super my-dad-name to call someone lol.)  He was sweet, but so dorky and out of it, and I could understand why he felt safe to Joyce, but it seemed a little bit like she was using Bob to escape the terror of the year before.

And I facepalm/cringed when he applied the very sweet ENFP “conquer your fears by being confident in yourself” advice to Will, without understanding the last-step consequences it would cause.  Which, granted, that does usually work for ENFPs, like ENFP(ij) Maria in The Sound of Music (*same as Julie Andrews), singing “I have confidence in me” to pump herself up.

But we do quickly get flashes of Bob, behind the guy with the slightly dorky music and movie tastes, who feels at home with bologna sandwiches and silly puns.  He does truly care about Joyce and her boys, worried about Will getting bullied and encouraging Joyce to be her strong, feisty self.

Really though, as soon as he got hooked on the Hawkins tunnel puzzle, I was hooked on Bob.  He really came alive with the ability to help, as ENFPs do, finding true meaning-of-self in the opportunity to be useful on-call.

Bob’s story is a testament to how the ability to be a hero is all in the motives.  Yes, Eleven is physically able to save and protect, but it’s the choices she makes with those abilities that makes her heroic.  And Bob might not be a sharpshooter or even a one-liner slinger, but when it counts, we see who he really is in his willingness to put others first and see things through to the bitterest ends.

I love that it’s Mike who gives his little eulogy to the group, about Bob and AV, since they share the same ENFP Type Spec: The Meaning of Individuals as they can be.  Mike pays tribute to how, as underestimated as he was, Bob lived up to who he could be.

Now for something a little self-indulgent on my part, I was already planning on making the main video for this post when the one below popped into my head.  You may have ascertained by this point (even though I was being so subtle ) that I love The Lord of the Rings.  I mean, since it’s referenced pretty often in Stranger Things, I figured my references would be apropos, but I also just super love Tolkien.  So I thought it was only fitting to combine my two very favorite film works, because it’s not only the presence of Sean Astin that unites them.  I’m very pleased with how well I was able to convey my emotions both with my favorite part of the LotR film trilogy, and with everything I feel makes Stranger Things matter.

I realized that as Covetypes, Bob would probably love ISFJ(ij) Samwise and long to be like him, and so I think he’d find it pretty special to be associated with the character and be played by the same person (interestingly, Sean Astin is ESFP(ej), halfway between the two).  Is that a weird train of thought, thinking about how excited a fictional character would be to have their actor cast as them?  Maybe.

Either way, I’m glad we got to meet Bob Newby, superhero, and how he reminds us that even though sometimes people disappoint us, others rise to the occasion and show us what they’re really made of, just when it matters the most.

Because there is good in this world, and it is worth sacrificing for.

Lonnie Byers
ENTP(ej)*
The Supercharged Swashbuckler
A Supercharged Approach to Expectable Reactions
“Tell your mother she’s gotta get you out of that hellhole.  Come out here to the city.  People are more real here, you know?”
ENTP(ej) examples: Robert Downey Jr., Zooey Deschanel, Megamind*

Lonnie Byers is interestingly the only ENTP thus far in Stranger Things, and I’m okay with that, despite him being quite the unhealthy example of his cognition.  The dark side of a cognition that gives us gems like Tony Stark/Robert Downey Jr. (both) and adorable Zooey Deschanel, takes a cringeworthy turn when that same charm, sass, and ability to poke for just the desired reactions, is used to serve an ENTP(ej) as self-centered as Lonnie Byers.

I picture a young, slightly rebellious Joyce getting totally swept off her feet by an also young, very attractive and charming Lonnie in late high school.  He probably knew just what to say, and how to show all the right interest in everything she cared about… as long as she was giving him the reactions he wanted.  And poor Joyce, with her last cognition step being the motives of people, believed that when he teased her and was affectionate, that she actually had a place in the world, as her Thranduil Denial so desperately wanted.

Actually, I think, although Jonathan has that amazing monologue about Nancy and her suburban “rebellion,” which implies that she and Steve are likely to end up just like her parents, with Steve as washed up and emptily suburban as Ted Wheeler… I wonder if the person Jonathan is truly comparing Steve to is his own father, Lonnie.  I think it’s interesting that Joyce and Lonnie’s relationship is just the S/N flip of Nancy and Steve’s relationship, almost down to the subtype, which makes Joyce and Lonnie Covetypes too (although not down to the subtype, but with Covetype that’s just splitting hairs).  And it actually makes a lot of sense if Jonathan made that correlation in his head (which, with something as personal as his own father, how could he not?); after all, Steve starts out as that skin-deep-charming ETP, just like Lonnie is, just getting the reactions he wants from girls.  Thankfully, Steve decides to be more.  But wouldn’t Jonathan be afraid of Nancy, this strong, intelligent ITJ girl, making the same mistakes as his mother, who was also a strong, intelligent ITJ that let herself get swept up in Lonnie’s deceptions?

But Joyce is by far not the only one who has fallen for Lonnie’s charm.  I always think it’s very telling that when Hopper shows Earl (the white haired guy… I had to look up his name…oh and the actor was in October Sky, that’s what I know him from!) the picture of Will, he immediately identifies Will as “Lonnie’s kid,” meaning that, in Hawkins, Lonnie is still just one of the guys.  Sure, he and that Joyce girl broke up, but that happens.  Whenever he comes back in town, once in a while (to advertise that he still “cares” about his children), he still has a place at the local dives, talking about sports and politics and money, whereas Joyce is thought about around town as that scatterbrained mom with a few screws loose.

Jonathan finds Joyce letting Lonnie back into her life.

When Lonnie comes back for Will’s funeral, playing grief and a desire to make amends, Joyce is not the only one who welcomes him back.  And I find it to be a masterwork touch, which wasn’t required of the creators, that in the background at Will’s wake, who is the primary person engaged in conversation with Lonnie and patting him on the back?  Ted Wheeler.  Because people like Ted, the type who love the “Curtain” Murray speaks of in S2, don’t want to make correct character judgments of people like Lonnie; they want to be taken in, to act like the idea of someone so close to home being a “bad person” is just too dramatic.  “Bad people” are the ones who do obviously bad actions, like burglars or Soviets or the guy you didn’t vote for.

Which, I don’t even need to explain that I’m not excusing those parties, right?  I’m just saying there’s a much more insidious form of bad.  In a culture that doesn’t treat Motives as a science, the Lonnies of the world are able to slip past the crap radar, knowing exactly what people want to hear, and giving it to them, completely aware that if you toe a shallow society’s lines, you can get all the praise while being full of total—“language!”  People like Lonnie don’t cause explosions or wars, but through their uncalled bad intentions they are able to quietly and law-abidingly go around ruining people’s lives.

Also, as a side note, I wonder why Joyce kept her married name.  It may have been because it was a small town and it would be more effort to get everyone to call her by her maiden name again in the 80s, but I also wonder if it’s because she didn’t want anything separating her from her boys, even suddenly having a different surname from them.

Lonnie being an ENTP, even if he’s a different subtype from me, brings up an issue I had to address in myself.

Now, I’ve known since the beginning of aLBoP, that there are good and bad versions of each way to think.  We began using the terms “healthy” and “unhealthy” fairly quickly on aLBoP, because we liked that those terms don’t implicate blame.  If someone is a “bad” person, that implies that they are choosing to be bad, and have bad motives making them the person they are, at least currently.  But “unhealthy,” just like with physical health, can be someone’s own fault or not.

If I become malnourished, it can be because I refuse to eat anything besides Jujubes (first thing that came to mind), or it can be because I don’t have access to proper nutrition.  And if a person becomes unhealthy, cognitively, it can either be because they’re choosing to use their Type Specialization to fulfill crap desires, or it can be because they were raised in an environment that didn’t nurture their Type Specialization healthily.  And I’d venture that most people who are cognitively unhealthy are a mix, of the cultures and microcultures they were raised in, and of their own decisions.  After all, there are plenty of Elevens in the world, who overcome the way they were raised, and choose to be good people, despite everything they’ve experienced (although Eleven is exceptional in being a transitional character).

Anyway, it was never news to me that the same type could be used well or poorly.  After all, one of Justin’s favorite examples to share has always been “I think the same as Hitler!” to demonstrate this principle (although he has mostly always used it to demonstrate that he isn’t trying to be a Mary Sue), and even our discovery of Subtypes and realizing that Hitler was a different subtype than Justin (being INFJ(ej) instead, the same cognition as Shirley Temple) doesn’t stop him from using the example.  But, you know, Osama Bin Laden vs. Thomas Paine (both ENFP(ij)), Mao Zedong vs. Alfred Hitchcock (both ISFP(ip)); I was always aware of the vastly different choices that could be made with the same cognition.

But in a way, I always had the opposite problem; I often justified people too much based on their cognition.  I mean, I knew that bad people had bad motives, despite their cognition, and I still now believe it’s important to understand people and their motives, even though understanding why someone did something is never supposed to justify their doing of it.

But I was too quick to let people’s Type Specializations and cognition overall give them reasons for infractions.  “Yes, that’s a terrible way to treat others, but he’s an ISTJ(ej); he was doing it to protect the world as it is.”  “I know she’s being closed off and pretentious, but it’s her Great Pumpkin acting up.”  Stuff like that.  Worthy angles to see of people, and the kind of stuff I’m supposed to illuminate with aLBoP, but still missing a core element.

But then early 2017, our friend asked us to type her abusive stepfather.  I hope it’s okay to share his type and the effect the experience had on me, as long as I don’t attach it to this friend.  She had been pretty sure of his type beforehand, which actually made me procrastinate typing him for a while.  Also, I just didn’t especially want to see his face and see the lies there.  But we typed him and she was right; it turned out that he was ENTP(ep)… like me.

I was really upset.  I felt like I needed to apologize on behalf of my Type Spec, on behalf of everything it truly meant to be ENTP(ep).  And she wasn’t blaming me, but I suddenly felt like it was somehow my fault, everything she’d been through, everything he’d done, because it was in the twisted pursuit of the things that matter most to me.  I could see how his manipulative, destructive, terrifyingly creepy motives and actions were a parody of my mind’s deepest loves.  And even though I wasn’t afraid I would ever desire the same base, practically inhuman things, I felt tainted by association, a feeling that in the midst of dealing with other challenges of knowing and trusting myself, took me months to overcome.

I realized that my previous attribution of people’s harmful decisions and motives to mere effects of their own cognitions and environments was being unintentionally condescending on my part, to all the other types.  I didn’t realize how much justifications based on Type Specialization insult everything that type truly is.  This despicable example I suddenly had of everything that ENTP(ep) was never supposed to be, showed me how opposed unhealthy ENTP(ep) is to everything I am.  His decisions and desires in fact demonstrated a direct inversion of the ENTP core desire to elevate the use of individuals to new heights, starting with oneself.  Any ENTP that says “you should justify me in everything small I’ve chosen to be” is in direct violation of everything their cognition ever was.

And that’s true of every type and subtype.  Following unhealthy cognition through to its conclusion always leads to the subversion of that type’s core desires.  It’s cognitive physics.  And I apologize to all other types for not recognizing in full the parody that unhealthy versions are of the things that matter most to you.

Long story short (and I thought Lonnie would be a short section, haha), I’m really okay with Lonnie being the only ENTP in Stranger Things thus far.  It demonstrates how the desire to become everything you can be, can be flipped on its head when driven by selfishness and the refusal to see people outside oneself as valid.

I used that quote for Lonnie at the top of his section because it’s so very classic.  People like that always have to project their motives onto others and say essentially “I know you are, but what am I?”, accusing others of their own bad motives as a diversion.  “People are more real here” – a powerful mimicry of individuals who actually care about genuineness, imitated to win points.  Ironic and exceptionally true to life.  Also, people like that always have to pretend that their misery demonstrates honesty, like all people who are happy or cheerful must be fake, so “at least I’m honest” about being a jerk.

Lonnie makes fantastic artificial sweetener, the kind of stuff that tastes mostly okay on the tongue, almost like the real thing even, but then makes your stomach churn in hindsight.  Unfortunately well done, because of just how common he is.

Dr. Owens
ENTP(ij)*
The Deliberate Swashbuckler
A Deliberate Approach to Expectable Reactions
“Listen.  I understand what you went through last year.  I get it.  But those people are gone.  They’re gone.  Okay?  So if we’re gonna get through this I just… I need you to realize I’m on your side.  I need you to trust me.”
ENTP(ij) examples: Helena Bonham Carter, Dustin Hoffman, Neal Caffrey* – White Collar

Okay, so Lonnie isn’t the only ENTP in the show.  But poor Dr. Owens, I forgot him when I was writing the Lonnie section, and I actually was okay with Lonnie being the only ENTP… but he wasn’t lol.  (I’ve done that before too.  Let’s just pretend it’s part of my charm, okay?)  “Mistakes have been made;” let’s move on.

I really like Doc Owens.  When I put him under the “Questionable Motives” character section, Justin wondered if that was really where I wanted to put him, and he does stand out amid the others, from Lonnie through the Mind Flayer.  Doctor Owens isn’t consumed by hatred, he doesn’t want to manipulate everyone to get his way, and he certainly doesn’t want to see anyone killed in the pursuit of what he’s trying to achieve.  He actually wants to help Will, and all of Hawkins, recover from the damage that was caused the year before.

And yet, his attitude, however well-intentioned, of “do the fixing action” of continual burns to keep the Gate under control, seems to be the very thing that causes the Mind Flayer’s tentacle-tunnels to spread wide and deep, in retaliation.  Dr. Owens’s attempts to responsibly fix the mistakes of the past via Action alone, his last and untempered step, ends up exacerbating the very problem he was trying to fix in the first place.  And countless scientists, soldiers, and civilians die on his watch because of it.

ENTPs who try to defiantly assert how responsible they are, often end up falling into the pitfalls of “responsible” people, even if they have better motives than those other people.  This seems to be the case with Dr. Sam Owens (totally hadn’t remembered his first name was Sam, btw, had to look it up) who, while he acknowledges the bad motives of his predecessors, still falls into plenty of governmental dehumanizing pitfalls in the name of doing the most responsible thing.

So what could Dr. Owens have done differently?

Like I said, we see right away that he obviously cares.  We see his tender care for Will and his jolly bedside manner, even when at first he thinks that Will’s visions are nothing more than flashbacks or hallucinations.

He slowly realizes something real is going on as things aren’t quite adding up.  How does Will know about the storm that he’s seen with his own eyes is happening in the real, current Upside Down?  Why does the chief keep finding dead crap around town?  He shows respect to Nancy and Jonathan by giving them an actual explanation, yet also gives them a serious threat if they push the borders of the safety he’s worked so hard to maintain.

But Dr. Owens doesn’t want to see what he’s Observing, hoping that if he trusts in the Action he’s expected to carry out in Hawkins, everything will be contained, stabilized, kept safe…enough.  So he takes his worry out on his stress ball, ignoring the signs that holding down the fort just isn’t cutting it anymore.

We’ve talked about this in previous sections, that scared people often ignore what their first, strongest cognitive step is telling them.  And as much as he tries to hide it by stress-squeezing a blue foam ball, Dr. Owens is really really scared.  He’s scared by the gate; he’s scared by learning how many people died the year before from something so outside their control; he’s scared that people within a system he loves would let children die so fecklessly; he’s scared that things are actually getting worse and he has no *beeping* idea what to do about it.  So he ignores his first step of Observation rampantly.

The number one way he does this is by failing to scrutinize his sources.  Anyone who put Dr. Brenner in charge in the first place, shouldn’t be trusted, and I think it’s clear that although Hawkins Lab’s management has changed, its bosses haven’t.  Whoever Sam Owens is reporting to is not so well-intentioned, and he should know better.  And he should trust Hopper and Joyce more.  Hopper knows Hawkins and Joyce knows Will; they know when something isn’t right.  When EPs get too caught up in doing “responsible” Actions, they can look to those established as responsible by those they’re trying to please, instead of looking to people they can personally tell are experts where the rubber hits the road.

So by the time Dr. Owens lets himself realize just how dire things are, the tunnels have already spread throughout the area, Hopper has almost died in them, and Will is part of an evil hive-mind bent on his own soldiers’ destruction.

And he really does try with all his might to fix it.  He stands up for Will against the dehumanizing “then we let the boy die” attitudes of other scientists.  And he tries to make up for not listening to Will before… but it’s too late and now Will is not a good source, which EP Mike Observes before anyone else.

I don’t know if it was intentional, but we found it very fitting that Mike is the only one wearing normal clothes; you have the doctors, the patients, and Mike is “I’m the only one being normal.”

Poor Doc Owens has dug himself too deep a hole, every choice seems to make things worse.  But he still shows what he’s made of by how he handles the life-threatening crisis: he doesn’t panic, he doesn’t reveal himself to be an empty bureaucrat; he stays behind in the heart of the danger, to help guide everyone else to safety, willing to go down with his ship as its captain.  Though terrible mistakes have been made, Dr. Owens has honor.

So Hopper knows how to handle the good doctor when he finds him barely alive in the lab: he treats him like a reasonable person, while adding a little threat of his own by tightening his tourniquet just a little bit too forcefully.  And I think, after everything, that’s when Sam Owens realizes he’s been on the wrong side all along.

As much as he wanted to use the power and responsibility of the lab to save everyone, it’s this young girl whom the lab screwed over who ends up saving him, and everyone else.  When all his Action attempts to put band-aid solutions onto bullet wound problems keep making everything spiral downward, it’s the very people who were shunned by the sources he believed represented safety, that end up swooping in and repairing his errors.

So I think Sam Owens is happy to pass Eleven’s birth certificate across the diner table, even though his career is likely over, because he knows to whom he owes his life and the fate of Hawkins, which could have been so much worse.  And hopefully next time, he’ll let himself see the signs, check his sources, and let his Actions follow from his good Motives.

Dr. Brenner
INTJ(ej)*
The Supercharged Dragon
A Supercharged Approach to Expectable Trends
“Today is a very special day… today we make history.  Today we make contact.”
INTJ(ej) examples: Bill Gates, Anne Boleyn, Thorin Oakenshield – The Hobbit

Okay, so maybe there is an INTJ villain in Stranger Things.  Note to self:  In the future, type all the characters from a work before starting to write the post about it and making statements about how many or few characters there are of each type!  (Especially if I’m going to base theses on them, like why I’m okay with Lonnie being the only ENTP in Stranger Things…)  But at least I admit when I messed something up.

Speaking of messing things up (that’s as good a segue as any), it’s clear to see that Martin Brenner had a plan when it came to everything at Hawkins Lab—a plan that did not go according to plan.  He seems unfazeable about the twists and turns along the way, taking them in useful stride, and happy to observe rather than dictate the workings of the world of power that 011 gives him access to.  It’s just what he’d hoped when she can start crushing cans with her mind; he’s pleased as punch to find that she can telepathically project audio instead of just hearing and repeating it herself from far away, and he’s even giddy, it seems, when she discovers something far beyond the USSR spywork he had for her in the void.

What’s Brenner’s reaction to hearing, surely described in detail, that there’s an alien horror just a bathtub away?  To try and push further, try to use this new discovery toward his already-in-motion plans; to try and make contact.

But he never imagined, for all his sweeping plans and schemes, that such a creature could push right back, with power greatly beyond Brenner’s own, even ripping space itself.  And that’s when Brenner stumbles, where we see his fear for the first time: as he suddenly realizes how completely out of his control things really are.

We’ve talked about Anakin Angst a lot in this post, about the different reactions and approaches to it, and about it being mingled with other Type Angsts.  And we’ve even already seen the INTJ(ej) approach in Eleven (whose type resemblance we’ll talk about in a minute).  But I want to bring up a new concept about it now with Brenner.

We don’t actually have an official name for this yet.  Justin calls it “Jerkitype” but I don’t feel that’s strong enough, and my working title isn’t the most family-friendly (“Type Dickery), so it remains as yet unnamed.  Although, okay, Justin just suggested “Type-Hole” and that might be my new favorite; as in “Dude, stop being such a Type-Hole!”

Anyway, you can call it whatever you want, but it’s pretty simple.  “Jerkitype” is the pattern that each type tends to fall into when unhealthy, of saying “I’m the only one who is good at __________,” where [blank] is the opposite-type’s Type Angst.

So, for example, in less healthy INFPs than Lovecraft, we often see the assertion “I’m the only one who is Meaningful,” which pushes ESTJ’s Threehorn Pride on everyone, because ESTJs fear they aren’t meaningful enough.  Or in less healthy ESTPs, the insistence that “I’m the only one who is wanted as me,” shoving INFJ’s Hercules Syndrome at everyone else (Steve actually does do this to Jonathan in the first series).  ENFJ’s Jerkitype implies that others don’t belong in the group (ISTP’s Angst), etc.

Jerkitype is a sort of sour grapes, saying “I don’t even want to be good at the areas where I feel small!  But, ha, I’m good at this and you’re not!  Nyeh nyeh!”

But then Super Jerkitype (just doesn’t have the same ring as “Super Type Dickery), is a step beyond that, to saying “I’m the only one who is good at [my own Type Angst].”  Super Jerkitype is not only mean, like regular Jerkitype; it’s also in denial of one’s own Type Angst, trying to prove that it’s the strongest where it’s really the weakest.

Lonnie is a good example of Super Jerkitype, constantly trying to assert that Joyce, his Covetype, is nowhere near as responsible as he is, and in fact that he’s the only responsible one, so much more on top of Action than anyone in that crap hole Hawkins.  ENTP’s Type Angst of Megamind Complex gets projected onto everyone else but him.

Both are mean and damaging, but usually Super Jerkitype requires more dishonesty with oneself.  Steve is a real jerk S1, but he’s not dishonest with himself the way Lonnie is.  And for the record, you can be both at once, a Type-Hole and a Super Type-Hole.

So coming back to Dr. Brenner, we do see him shoving ESFP’s Type Angst of Fry Future Phobia at everyone around him, as a Type-Hole; acting like he’s the only one who can have any significant impact on the world around him, trying to convince others like Joyce to just give up and let him take the reins, because he’s the only one who can stop people from being hurt.  But even more, we see Super Type-Holery from him, which in INTJs comes in the form of blame, blame, blame!  “Everything isn’t my fault!  Actually it’s your fault!  And yours, and yours and yours!”

But I love Joyce’s reaction when he tries to make her feel out of control and blamed.  She throws Anakin Angst back in his face and makes him look at it: “Excuse me?!  People are hurting because of you, not anyone else.”

Brenner’s face at that moment is so classic.  Not only are his tactics not working, she sees right through him and throws his weakness in his face.  Bam!

Now, regarding Brenner and Eleven; yes they are the same cognition, down to the subtype.  I was struggling both to type him and to know what to say about him, because in a lot of ways he frustrates me, even though I think he’s very well written.  I don’t know why exactly he bothers me.  But Justin began enthusing about how much he loves every time Brenner comes on screen (we’ll talk more about why Justin has always had heart-eyes for villains, in the Mind Flayer section).

In a much sweeter version of the same-type-down-to-the-sub relationship between Brenner and Eleven, Justin had an awesome INTJ(ej) friend his first year of college, the same one mentioned in the Phase 2 Intro, who would come up with arguments like why Darth Vader was a good guy and the Rebel Alliance were terrorists, just to troll people.  I’ve heard many great stories about this INTJ(ej), but anyway, apparently he had a massive crush on a particular celebrity: Natalie Portman.  Now if you noticed the examples at the top of the Eleven section, Natalie Portman is INTJ(ej) too.  When Justin discovered the type similarity he thought it was hilarious that his INTJ(ej) friend had a crush on his own cognition without even realizing it.

That happens with people of every type, but I do think there’s something particularly INTJ(ej) about ending up with an obsession with another INTJ(ej).  IJ as it is, with their own motives as their last step, can really have the desire to see their own selfness under a microscope, prodding it like an alien test-subject because their own motives can feel so distant and unknowable, compared to their earlier cognition steps.  (“What is me?” Justin says, lol.)  And finding someone else of the same or similar thought processes and watching them, can be a way to discover their own selves.  That’s great and needed; part of why I love sharing examples of every type and subtype is to help people examine their similarities and differences with others of the same cognition, and use that information to both understand themselves better and love themselves more.

On top of that, NT wants to push the limits by finding new ways to use things (myself included ), so the IJ-NT combination I picture singing “What’s This?” from The Nightmare Before Christmas about discovering their own motives or someone who represents a way of thinking like their own.  “Ooooh, what is this funny/odd/intelligent thing??  I like it!  HOW CAN I USE IT?!?!”  Heehee, I really like that analogy, for all INTJs, but especially for (ej) subs who just can’t turn off the intensity.

And I think Brenner does feel that way about 011.  Even though there have been at least ten others similar to her, it’s clear that 011 is special to him.  I’m sure he had a manipulatively-nurturing relationship with 008 too, but I really can’t imagine him treating Kali’s group-oriented thinking with as much respect as Eleven’s focused intent.  Little ENFJ(ep) 008 would have craved affirmation too desperately, in my estimation, for Brenner to freely bestow her with his respect.  Plus villains, by definition, never fully look outside their own Type Specialization and Toi.

Brenner sees 011 as a little, purer, weaponized version of himself, like a god-given little protégé of himself.  He is almost worshipful about her gifts; cautious, slow, and reverent, cradling her brain like that’s his baby, with the rest of her merely the vessel for it.  He is proud of 011… when she does exactly what he wants.

Come to think of it, that’s why Brenner bothers me, because of how closed-off he is; cutting off people cuts off options.  It bothers me that he closes off possibilities, in that “there’s only one way to do this” sort of way.  It offends me on behalf of Use when people do that.  It’s just not useful to refuse options and ways of seeing the world, just because they’re not yours.

That tends to be a pet peeve of mine in general, when TJs especially, act like the only valid form of Use is useful Action, as opposed to useful Data that forms useful possibilities and useful people.  Unhealthy TJs like Brenner act like they are the sole gatekeepers of Use (Type-Hole!) while I’m over here waving both arms saying “Hello?!  You missed literally hundreds of other ways you could have done this more efficiently, in pursuit of your almighty plan!”

*Ahem.*  Every type has its own way to ignore all of the other ways of thinking, that one is just offensive to my own personal Type Spec.  And I love INTJs when they’re healthy; they’re my Patronatype!  But that’s when they respect that people are an asset, not just as cogs in a plan, but as a resource for ideas and information beyond what one person can imagine.

Billy Hargrove
ENTJ(ip)
The Comfortable Crusader
A Comfortable Approach to Expectable Events
“You disobeyed me, and you know what happens when you disobey me. I break things.”
ENTJ(ip) examples:  Malcolm X, Thomas Edison, Demona* – Disney’s Gargoyles

ENTJ(ip)s are sometimes such paradoxes in and of themselves, to me.  The intensity inherent in ENTJ (which, when healthy, I absolutely love about them), mixed with the comfortable, nearly laissez-faire repose of (ip) sub, can seem jarring at times.  Also, since (ip) subtype’s driving approach to behavior is “steering wheel = no; pedals = yes,” I typically expect to see changes in behavioral speed from (ip) subs, and most often a casual, precautious slowness from (ip)s.  But ENTJ as a main type, maybe even more than the other Action-centric EJs, often has only one speed: pedal to the metal.  (This can make EJ(ej)s O_O full-steam-ahead machines, especially to an EP(ep) like me.)

In healthier ENTJ(ip)s, this leads to a sort of casual-breakneck charm of the kind we see in Chris Pine, Ellen Degeneres, or Sean Connery.  With less healthy ENTJ(ip)s, however, it seems to lead to a sort of pressurized desperation, like a soda can that looks calm until it gets punctured and then totally explodes.  And this is what we see in Billy.

Like most of the angriest people in life, Billy seems to be motivated by fear.  ENTJ’s Type Angst, The Great and Powerful Trixie Tantrum, arises from their fear that nobody cares what they have to say; that no one wants to listen to them, because nobody finds what they say worthwhile.  With a last cognitive step of the Meaning of Data and Details, ENTJs feel vulnerable and potentially defensive about the specific Situational Details they see.  So they naturally fear that the thoughts they have to share, which feel so Meaningful to them, will seem Meaningless, silly, and stupid to everyone else.

This seems to be exactly how Billy’s father treats him: that nothing he could possibly have to say has any merit.  It’s his job to listen, obey, say “Yes, sir,” and then shut up.  He feels totally disrespected and unheard by the man from whom he’s likely to desire approval the most.  And no matter how much they might pretend otherwise, ENTJs very much crave the approval of those close to them, since as with all EJs, they gather their worldview from their Group.

Of all the subtypes, (ip) subs most frequently handle their Type Angsts by denying that the underlying fear is even there.  “What do you mean I fear that?  No I don’t; that’s not a problem for me at all.  In fact, I’m the most [insert thing they’re afraid of not being] person around!”  Rather than face the discomfort of their type’s core fear, they often avoid it, seeking the path of least emotional resistance by building a growing wall of denial.

We see this denial a lot in Billy, as he swaggers around posing as the center of attention, the new king in town, intent on convincing himself most of all that everyone should rightfully hang on his every word and glance.  But as frequently happens with (ip) subs who seek emotional safety in denial, Billy tries a little too hard at it.  Or a lot too hard.  He doesn’t genuinely enjoy strutting around the way formerly-douchey Steve used to; he has to constantly trumpet his own arrival, persistently advertise how cool he is, and carelessly insult even the eager girls who vapidly cling to him.  In his desperate marathon to escape himself, he tries ever harder to deny his Trixie fear that, after all his shouting and posing are done, nobody really cares what he thinks.

And so he tries harder, and harder.  Not only does he spend a rather endearingly silly amount of time in front of his mirror, spraying fragrances down his pants, but he crosses more and more lines in his desperation for his desires to matter.  At first he simply redefines the limits of the word “jerk,” showing callous disregard for everyone, threatening Max, nearly running over the Stranger boys at high speed, and pushing Steve around way more than necessary (even while a little childlike, albeit muddled, humanity manages to leak out as he subtly seems to flirt with Steve).  But then he pushes it farther and farther.  As if the slimy, transparently manipulative tactics that he uses on an all-too-willing Karen Wheeler weren’t enough to make our stomachs turn, his all-out brawl with Steve goes way beyond the bounds of any typical fight.  Jonathan and Steve threw furious punches at one another in S1, landing Jonathan in a police station, and leaving Steve with his hilariously awful bloody eye.  But with Billy, it passes the line into an outright murderous rampage, throwing out all semblance of a fair fight the moment Billy smashes one of the Byers’s plates over Steve’s head.

Had it not been for Max intervening, shoving a sedative needle straight into her hated step-brother’s neck, Steve Harrington might well have been killed there on the Byers’s floor, as Billy unleashed all his irrational, repressed rage onto Steve’s helpless face.  In a world where demodogs lurk hungrily in the nearby lab, it’s Billy who becomes a life-threatening danger in human form.  Even sedated and paralyzed on the floor, Billy just laughs, unhinged, when Max threatens him with Steve’s nail-bat.  It takes a convincing near-miss of nails to his most vulnerable area to snap him to a moment of lucid surrender.

Billy is a fascinating exploration of the human potential for evil.  The Duffers said that after Steve became such a sympathetic, redeemed character in S1, they wanted a character who would truly be a human villain.  And yet, in spite of their best efforts (or maybe because of them), I think it’s awesome that they still had to make Billy a person, with understandable Motives and pain.  We actually feel for him when we see his violently abusive father torment him both physically and emotionally.  Suddenly, Billy is no longer the big bad alpha-jerk that he’s been pretending to be; he’s simply coping by following in his father’s toxic footsteps.  He’s a sobbing child huddled in a corner, throwing rocks as hard as he can at anyone who ventures too close.

And yet, none of this excuses Billy’s destructive hatred.  Yes, he came from a terrible upbringing, but we can always choose.  We can choose to say “No.  This stops with me.  I will not merely be a puppet of the people who hurt me, reproducing their violence like a virus.  I won’t pass this on.  This stops with me.”  Look at how Max chooses to handle her parents, compared to what Billy has chosen so far.  Max seems to have no illusions about her parents’ unhealthiness, and while it makes her bitter, she handles it by seeking to escape.  First she escapes into her ISTP(ej) specialization, into being a Zoomer and a goddess of Dig Dug, and then, once the unthinkable opportunity comes, she escapes into real friends.

Billy, by contrast, lives by shoving down even his eager toadies.  He styles his life loud, revving his engine in a demand that everybody look his way…just so that he can flip them all off.

Of course we always need to be compassionate and understanding of people for the background they come from, for the pain they’ve suffered, and for the difficulty they’re having at dealing with it all.  Especially when people are coming from a background of abuse.  We do our best to work with people, even and especially those who are the most broken, and the most dangerously ill.  And yet, we also cannot turn a blind eye to the danger they may pose to others.  We cannot let innocent people get trampled in our self-conscious desire to be understanding.

And we must always remember that the EP ToI of Motives and Character exists; Motives are a thing.  Everyone can always choose, always.  That’s part of being intelligent.  No matter the pain or abuse, nobody gets to relinquish their immutable personal right and responsibility to choose how they’re going to handle it.  This does not mean everyone should or can always be positive or perky.  This does not mean that depression, rage, or years of pain can be overcome simply by “trying harder.”  But it does mean that we always have a choice; no matter how deeply we’re buried, we can always choose to dig one inch farther down, or scratch our way one more weary inch toward the light.

And the instant we choose to dig toward freedom instead of deeper imprisonment, we suddenly cease to be a danger.  No matter how deep under the depths of hopelessness we may feel, it matters most not where we are, but what direction we’re facing.  The moment we turn toward simply trying to be better, to no longer tearing down everyone else with us, in that moment we cease to be a threat, and people respond to that.  Rather than attracting insincere, competitive toadies, we suddenly make ourselves available to real friends.

So where will Billy go next?  Will he explode and send shrapnel spinning out into everyone around him?  Or will he find some outlet for his boiling pressure?  Or maybe a mix of both?  Will he explode in a frenzy of self-destruction, and then afterward simmer down?  Maybe it will turn out that Billy has special super-powers, and that he was actually Eleven in disguise all along!!  We never see them in the same place at the same time…  Okay, maybe not, but we’ll have to wait and see.

In other news, I accidentally discovered that George Michael of Wham! was INFP(ep) like Billy’s actor, Dacre Montgomery (and Zac Efron), and now I can’t unsee the similarity.  So now I really want to see Billy perform “Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go” next season, while wearing a fluorescent pink shirt and two-tone hot pants.  The song was even released in 1984.  Surely that’ll fit thematically for Series 3, right?

Kali Prasad (008)
ENFJ(ep)
The Natural Veteran
A Natural Approach to Edifying Events
“If you wanted to show mercy, that is your choice.  But don’t you ever take away mine.  Ever.”
ENFJ(ep) examples: Barack Obama, Mother Teresa, Princess Cadence* – My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic

Being named for the Hindu goddess Kali perfectly communicates the role of this Dark, but empathetic, Veteran; the mother of destruction, gathering in her chicks to destroy everything that might get in their way.  The Hindu Kali is portrayed as the goddess of empowerment, with a gentle smile, while simultaneously wearing a garland of severed heads.  I see why the reference was chosen.

ENFJ’s type specialization is all about the edification of their beloved group’s meaning, which is a beautiful thing when well placed and filled with the encouragement and love that healthy ENFJs excel at.  But as a dark side to their Faramir Dilemma, which makes them fear there’s no hope of changing the choices of those around them, ENFJs can turn a blind eye to the wrongs of members of their own group, unfairly weighing outsiders’ faults and offences as more weighty than those of the people they care about.

Also, with a last step of Data, Details, and Situations, EJs can be guilty of situational fudging: believing that your team is correct enough that you can ignore situational clues that show bad intentions.

I read someone’s observation, that I can’t find again for the life of me (honestly I thought it was from a BuzzFeed post of all things, not typically where I go for complex thought on the internet…), about how fittingly symbolic Kali’s punky purple half-shaved hairstyle is to her internal turmoil.

(Which as a total aside, I love that color purple for hair.  I attempted to go purple just before my 25th birthday, but it was an utter fail because I was unwilling to bleach first and my hair is quite dark.  But I was scarred as a teenager when I wanted to look like Rogue from the X-Men movies, tried to bleach white forelocks at home and it turned bright orange instead.  It was Christmas time and I had to go to a nativity festival with it that way, even though my hair was Halloween colors instead.  This has been useless Calise trivia.  You’re welcome.)

The purple side of Kali’s hair loudly insists she is free; free to make her own choices, go her own way, with no one controlling her or telling her what to do.  But on the other side, somewhat underneath and hidden, she keeps her head shaved… just like Eleven’s was in the lab.

Honestly, since the little girls in the Rainbow Room have hair, we don’t know what instigated the shaving of Eleven’s head, but it’s likely that Kali’s head would have been shaved at some point in the lab too.  And it works well as a demonstration of Kali’s torn insides, the Two-Face nature of her hair.

No matter how loud she shouts that she is free, part of Kali is still the little girl, locked in the lab, who can’t break free.  As much as she tries to manipulate Jane with the threat of the past as a canker, Kali’s whole life revolves around the festering wound inside her that is her life as 008.

Kali has never truly left the lab, and it’s forever affecting her, driving her actions as she tries to prove it was wrong in how it treated her.  Because that’s the thing about hatred: it controls us, letting the people who have hurt us in the past continue to hurt us because we can’t put it down.

She pretends that her hatred means that she hasn’t run from the past, that she’s faced it head-on.  But you know what?  Hatred is a means of escape as much as choosing ignorance is.  Hatred makes us feel protected from our pain by closing off vulnerability, which protects us from looking at how our pain makes us feel about our own worth.  People who escape into hatred always hate themselves most of all.

Kali teaching “Jane” to embrace her past and her anger has real truth to it, truth that helps Eleven grow stronger because she has good motives which turn half-truths into full ones.

There is truth behind embracing anger, truth behind the Sith Code:

Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

(Wow, I’m actually using the Sith Code to illustrate a point in a post… and linking to Wookiepedia.  I believe new levels of nerd-points are in order.)

The way in which peace is a lie, is honestly if it’s not really peace: if it’s forced serenity covering a tumultuous sea of unresolved emotion and pain.  Fake peace and fake smiles are like prettily painted dams holding back pressurized sewage just waiting for the right event to come along and leave a chink in our emotional armor, that’ll release everything just at the worst possible time.  Real peace comes from understanding, not ignoring.

But passion does lead to strength, in often underestimated ways.  Passion fuels, as Kali teaches Jane, but it also illuminates.  Passion, like all emotions, demonstrates to us why things matter (which is why Feeling, as a function, and Meaning are synonymous at aLBoP.  That is the purpose of Feelings).  Feelings, as we come to understand them, give our thoughts the perspective they lack, preventing the unuseful, directionless pull of nihilism and helping us understand what truly needs to be done.  But our emotions are always there, whether we’re willing to deal with them or not, affecting our every choice and consequence.  (Don’t get me started on how recklessly emotional nihilism is.)

And as far as strength → power → victory leading to your chains being broken, overcoming external chains is worth so little without breaking our internal ones first.  Which is why money, power, etc. don’t buy happiness; it doesn’t matter what your external circumstances are, you will still be miserable if you’re in emotional bondage.

Anyway, Kali has a major point when it comes to Jane “using her aggressive feelings… Good, gooood!”  Eleven deserves to let the past fuel her into a much stronger person than she ever was before.

But hatred demonstrates fear of the thing hated, and fear cripples options.

Unlike Dr. Brenner, Kali understands the importance of having a group of individuals with abilities and perspectives outside her own, gathering her band of merry punks to round out all the needed roles for what she believes needs to be done, and actually loving and appreciating them individually.  So she doesn’t cut off the options that multiple perspectives have, the way her “Papa” did.

Left to right:  Mick – ISTJ(ij)*, Axel – ESFJ(ej)*, Kali’s actress, Linnea Berthelsen – ESFJ(ep) (one-off from Kali), Funshine – ISFP(ej)*, Dottie – ESTP(ij)*

However, her fear-driven hatred of her past and the individuals in it, amputates her reaction options.  She can’t actually go forward and build anything, because she’s so busy reacting to the people who hurt her.  Hatred means she’s constantly fighting yesterday’s battle, unable to adapt to the current needs of the people she loves, and constantly basing her actions on the actions of the villains in her life.  Because of her hatred, Kali will always be a victim to her past, instead of its victor.

While deciding on examples for the Billy section, I ended up reading the Wikipedia page on Malcolm X, and jotting down my thoughts, but it wasn’t until later that I realized how perfectly those realizations fit here, instead of randomly thrown in with Billy.

I was struck by how very much Malcolm X was a Magneto to Martin Luther King’s Charles Xavier.  I told Justin the X-Men parallel and shared MLK’s condolence note to Malcolm X’s wife after his assassination, and Justin said by the end he was hearing it in Patrick Stewart’s voice.

I find it fascinating that the two were just T/F different, with Malcolm X being ENTJ(ip) and MLK being ENFJ(ip).  (Random note, but both Martin Luther and Martin Luther King Jr. were ENFJ(ip); is not that awesome??)  But Malcolm X referred to Martin Luther King as a “chump” for hoping he could inspire people to be essentially “the better man,” for saying things like, “I have decided to stick with love.  Hate is too great a burden to bear.”

And choosing to be on one side or the other of this dynamic is not a type thing.  The only cognitive difference between Martin Luther King and Kali is subtype, and only (i/e) at that, and Xavier and Magneto are often written as both being INTJs, like Eleven.  It’s not that Ts are hateful or can’t take people into account or any such crap.  (Although as a trend, there seems to be a lot of NJs taking passionate roles on both sides of these equations.)  Being a transitional character is a decision, not something that comes naturally or easily to any cognition.

The comparison to Kali just makes me respect Martin Luther King all the more.  To react in the face of inexcusable oppression, violence, hatred, and belittlement, not in turn with reciprocal hatred, violence, and belittlement, but with love, forgiveness, and attempts to heal the world, even for those who haven’t earned forgiveness, shows such courage and true peace-with-self that I’m in awe.  It takes real strength to see your oppressors as human, even when they don’t deserve it.

And I love that “Lost Sister” makes Eleven make that choice.  As abused as she and Kali have truly been, as seemingly justified in hatred, violence, and doling in kind the oppression which they were treated, Eleven chooses to be brave enough to break the cycle of hatred and work instead on healing herself, her friends, and Hawkins of the true festering wounds within them.  She chooses to be a Professor X instead of a Magneto, and in doing such is able to save everything that matters to her, and I believe come huge strides in loving herself.  Like MLK said, “Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that.  Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.”

I’m going to be fascinated to see where Kali’s journey takes her in S3, as I don’t believe she’s bound for a Robin Hood-inspired spin-off series.  Instead I believe she’s likely to be an antagonist that Eleven has to defy, once again ala Charles Xavier/Erik Lehnsherr, two people with shared history, pains, and loves, divided asunder on how that pain and those who caused it should be dealt with.  I suspect we’ll see Kali’s hatred continue to take its toll on her, leading her to break everything she originally set out to save, broken inside by the demons of her past that she refuses to set free.  I only hope Eleven can save her too, somehow.

As Kali’s gang drives away from Eleven and the police, Kali’s nose bleeding, I think her expression says it all.  Even though Eleven ran off alone into the distance, going back to embrace her life as a number, it’s Kali who is truly alone and doesn’t know who she is.  Feeling more abandoned than she knew she would at Jane’s departure, Kali is left with only her hatred to comfort her, and with no buffer to protect her from how much she hates herself.

The Mind Flayer
INFJ(ij)*
The Deliberate Paladin
A Deliberate Approach to Edifying Trends
What do you think the evil wanted?… To kill you?”
“Not me.  Everyone else.”
INFJ(ij) examples: Morena Baccarin, Dan Shive, Ra’s al Ghul – Batman Begins

There were complaints after I published the Marble Hornets post that it was dumb to think I could type The Operator, Marble Hornets’ iteration of Slender Man.  The implication was that it was foolish to think I could isolate the cognitive process of a faceless eldritch being of unknown origin, who uses mere mortals like playthings.

*Cracks knuckles*  Well, watch me work.

While humans being “cosmic playthings” definitely invokes the mind-defying expanse of IJ as a Toi, beings that feel such ways don’t have to be IJ.  Like I mentioned in the intro to this post, IP Lovecraft revelled in this trope, passing onto us the reverence and terror he felt in the face of the sheer size of the universe.  But from the Lovecraft I’ve read (or really mostly heard Justin gush about at length), his gaping maws of antagonists often didn’t possess IJ motives and cognition themselves.

From what I know of Lovecraft’s Azathoth (which I am no way claiming Lovecraft expertise), the “blind idiot god” as he is nicknamed, is motivated by nothing more than being in possession of a self, and letting nothing get in the way of the self that he already is, which according to definition is a twisting of ESTP motives.  He doesn’t scheme or plot any action, he merely sits there, ready to react and destroy you should you interact with his self-ness incorrectly.  He even invokes to us a creepy version of Jayne Justification, using his willful lack of intelligence like a weapon.  To me, what makes a being like Azathoth most terrifying is the utter inability to reason with it.  It seems to toe the line of sentience to the point that it can have malice, and yet almost seem pleased at its utter lack of lucidity.  It’s like an ugly cosmic baby that hates you, made of all arms and no eyes, except maybe one pointed at its own self.

As a more humorous example, Q in Star Trek: The Next Generation, the basically all-powerful space-troll, is ENTP(ej), using his “cosmic plaything” powers to poke people for reactions, to see who they really are.  Also Discord, who, also being voiced by John Delancey, is basically Q with ponies.

I was thinking of more examples and Justin told me about one from the lore of the Elder Scrolls games.  Sheogorath, the Daedric god of Madness, (besides having a pretty cool lovecraftian name) is portrayed as an utterly unpredictable entity of unknowable motives.  But when playing Skyrim, Justin ran into Sheogorath and was like “unpredictable?  Unknowable motives?  He’s just a straight-up ENTP(ij) with cosmic troll powers!”  But then again, sometimes ENTPs might seem unpredictable and unknowable to their victims friends ?.

And yet, for all the writers’ efforts to create a mad god of total trolling unpredictability, they ended up with a consistent character with an identifiable, clear, and hilariously fitting cognitive type.  Even inconsistent, unsatisfying characters end up being simply a patchwork of shifting cognitive types.  It’s remarkable that as soon as you adequately define intelligence, every intelligent being imaginable ends up unavoidably following the patterns of the 4Toi.

Whether it’s near-inanimate yet immensely powerful beings like Azathoth, cosmic trolls like Q, Discord, or Sheogorath, or grimly mute terrors like the Operator, every intelligent being imaginable ends up surprisingly comprehensible.

This doesn’t mean it dispels the tantalizing eldritch magic of mysterious beings.  Understanding the Operator’s motives makes him arguably more terrifying, just as understanding astronomy makes the stars all the more amazing, incomprehensibly huge, and unimaginably distant.

As Justin says, in super IJ form:  Satisfying answers don’t ruin a mystery, though unsatisfying or over-simplistic answers most certainly do.  And the biggest, most mysterious questions, like Lovecraft’s, demand the best, most difficult answers.

My point:  If it’s intelligent, if it thinks, even just a little bit like Azathoth, it always ends up following the patterns of the 4Toi.  And, with enough effort and time, I suspect I could write a post illustrating beings with unfathomable cosmic powers of all types, akin to A.I. Typed.

My “Facial Typed Correctly” asterisk up there is a little tongue-in-cheek, as obviously the picture above has no literal face.  However, that visual typing is fulfilled both through the Smoke Monster’s primary conduit, as he and Will are the same cognition (so many props to Noah Schnapp who plays both characters epically), but also through the recurrent INFJ trope of the ethereal monster who takes all the mind-blowing scale of the cosmos, and flips it all upside down and turns it against you.  That unembodied malevolence which glares down at your petty mortality, a sneering darkness which snorts derisively at your frail attempts at having a self, despising their own last step of Individuals and their Motives, treating people as insignificant specks in the shadow of the cosmos.

Like this guy.

Yet the Mind Flayer does seem to have a distinct respect for Will, as much as it can respect anyone.  Will is someone to use, not just consume, because of their like thinking and way of seeing the world.  I really didn’t expect for that to be a mirrored theme between Brenner/Eleven and Mind Flayer/Will, but it seems to be: a villain only seeing the worth of thinking in their own way.  It’s a villainous narcissism, able to respect only those who function as lesser mirrors to their own beautiful selves.

INFJ’s Type Angst of Hercules Syndrome has many possible reactions.  One common reaction, that I talked about in What If I’m Not the Type I Thought I Was?, along with the following picture, is the attempt for an INFJ to disassociate themselves from the universal, to pretend disinterest or even distaste at Edifying Trends and Conceptual Meaning Principles which are the very lifeblood of INFJ’s mental prioritization.

“But why, what did I do?” says Universe. “I am just universing! Why you no be my friend??”

We see this described response from INFJs often to their Type Angst, with the desire to fit in with “normal” people, Covetyping ESFP, suppressing their desire to be themselves and to see how the world really works in an edifying manner.

However, the reaction to Hercules Syndrome that I’m about to talk about is the opposite extreme.  It’s a resentful disdain of the “ordinary masses” as mere muggles, unworthy of the air they breathe because they aren’t aware of the larger opera of meaning occurring all around them.  This twisting of the Paladin’s Type Specialization itself turns INFJ’s last-step fear of individuals and not being SF safe and enjoyable enough to the group, into painting the group as shallow, meaningless herds, ripe for the fire.  It sees normal humans as crawling bugs and takes gleeful pleasure at seeing them cower in the face of the infinite.

I think that’s a pretty good description of Dark Paladin motives: a subversion of the accurate trend-observation that some people do truly want to be ostriches in the face of larger meaning…

And yet, where this resentful Hercules Syndrome really goes off the rails is, unsurprisingly, understanding the intrinsic worth of the individual (IJ’s last step), pretending that if a person’s chosen motives are not in line with a narrow definition of purity and goodness, then they’re as good as dross on the path to a golden world.  This line of thinking often appeals to true Principles, and yet relies on fallacious character judgments as scapegoats.

And the recurrent glimpses of the Mind Flayer’s motives that we get throughout S2 are the embodiment of this disdain.  Just as with cognitive Type Specializations, the nature and source of Type Angsts means that even multidimensional beings of darkness, bent on human destruction, will be found to have them.

I didn’t anticipate bringing up INFJ(ej) Hitler twice in this post, and I worry about it undermining the post, but not only did Steve bring up the parallel first (granted, following Steve is not necessarily a great reason to do something), but we’re already examining powerfully dark INFJs with disdainful Hercules Syndrome.  And I’m personally of the opinion that if we don’t examine not only the actions of the past, but the motives also, then we’re doomed to repeat them.

Adolf Hitler’s original, somewhat tantrumy title for his hateful autobiography “Mein Kampf” was (deep breath) “Four and a Half Years (of Struggle) Against Lies, Stupidity and Cowardice.”  Or in other words, “See how much I have suffered in pursuit of true world meaning?!  It’s all these evil people’s fault.  Stupid, shallow, worthless people.”  The parentheses in an actual book title are just the cherry on top.

When people’s motives, and perceived weaknesses, get in the way of Meaningful Principles, Dark INFJ deems them unworthy of living; such people don’t deserve to exist, because they’re inferior.  And like the Dark INFJ doctrines of the Nazi movement, the Mind Flayer sees all other beings as lesser, as blemishes on existence, and therefore unworthy of existing.

So when poor Jayne-ing Steve suggests that the Mind Flayer’s intentions are like the Nazis, he’s more right than he knows… even if it’s good that Dustin corrects him from painting all Germans as Nazis.

Steve’s 2-watt light bulb moment 

Even among healthy INFJs, I’ve noticed a trend among (ij) subs, guys especially, of loving to get inside the head of the villain.

I’ve had a Google search tab up on my phone for a few months now, that says “Noah Schnapp serial killer” lol.  But I was attempting to re-find interviews where the then-preteen actor said prior to filming S2 that he would love to play a serial killer, and that he thought it would be cool because of how unexpected that would be.  (Young IJ knows his tropes.)

So I’d already had this in my notes for this post for months, and then I saw a recent interview in which Noah said he’d love to be in a superhero movie, and when asked if he would want to play a hero or a villain, he instantly responded villain.  I might have been very proud of my people-trend-spotting abilities.

Likewise, James McAvoy said he’d rather play a Bond villain than James Bond himself, and his performance in Split was so intensely immersive into the complex multi-mind of the movie’s villain.

And my INFJ(ij) has been obsessed with evil empires since childhood.  At the centerpiece of his own fiction, since the first version when he was in second grade almost 30 years ago, has always been an INFJ(ij) villain who is smooth, calculated, even kind, who understands Principles and doesn’t make any mistakes.

I asked Justin why the villain would be so recurrently fascinating to INFJ(ij)s.  He said that, among other things, what villains have to offer is ultimately freedom: power without limitations.  Villains embody the conflict of a tale, and in many ways propel the themes and questions at the heart of any story.  Villains act; they have a vision and they are going to use their considerable power to make it a reality, rather than merely reacting to a threat posed by someone else.  While heroes, archetypally, are usually the underdogs, not fully developed in their own might, not as yet.

Villains present the opportunity to see power fully unleashed, a thrill to someone focused on the Meaning of what Can Be, especially for the most Deliberate of them.  Also healthy INFJs seem to have an inherent understanding that it’s as important to understand the power of darkness as much as the power of light, not underestimating the potency of power itself, even when fueled by evil things.  A healthy respect for evil is the key to undoing it, and to even using its power, drive, and initiative for good.

But I think the fascination with powerful evil is also due to how underestimated INFJ(ij) guys themselves are used to being.  With sweet big-eyed baby faces and an always-elsewhere demeanor that belies, to the untrained eye, the wormholes of thought deep inside, INFJ(ij) guys (in particular, but not exclusively, mind you) get tired of being treated like good little boys who just don’t quite get the “real world.”  And so the idea of playing the villain, especially an unexpected one, with complex darkness behind a pleasant, smiling exterior, excites them.

Honestly, while we’re analyzing it, I think this is also why James McAvoy is so keen on sex jokes and struggles to finish an interview without dropping the F-bomb; it’s not like he’s just pretending, but rather it’s a deliberate “I am showing you this side of myself” decision.  “I’m going to make sure you don’t oversimplify me.”  If you watch carefully, so many INFJ(ij) choices demonstrate this intention: “I’m not just idealistic and soft; don’t underestimate me.”

But I think sometimes, Noah plays the Mind Flayer so seamlessly with Will, that it’s almost forgotten that most of the Mind Flayer’s character is played directly by him.  And I think while Will is utterly terrified by the thing taking him over, it does intrigue him too, drawing pictures of it in an attempt to understand who he’s dealing with.

It would be all too easy, and shallow, to call Will weak for being dominated by the Mind Flayer.  But it’s just as shallow as attitudes that call Frodo (INFJ(ep)) weak for Sauron slowly taking him over, as he carried the Ring farther than anyone could ever have been expected to, or calling Harry Potter (INFJ(ij)) emo or whiny when his mind is gradually being taken over by Voldemort.  But those attitudes simply don’t get the sheer size and power of the villain.

Will, Frodo, and Harry Potter: all INFJs who carried the soul of the villain.  These INFJ characters have to stand as lone trees against a hurricane, so that others can have the chance they need to escape, to survive, or even to find a way to help.  They could use more Mikes, Samwises, and Ron-Hermiones to see them through the storm.  Because in real life, it’s not easy to stand in the face of actual evil and darkness and attempt to make the world better than previously imagined, and it’s pretty dumb to expect someone to be perky at the end of it.

But just as Will is one of my favorite characters ever (no exaggeration), the Mind Flayer is one of my favorite villains ever.  He embodies fear, but in such a classy, stylish way.  So much more calculating and intelligent than the demogorgon before him, who was terrifying in its own right, but in the end just an animal.  I’m so excited to see where they take him next, and to learn more about the cold, heartless world that he seems to have created.  But most of all, I’m excited to see where his decisions take us next, as he can’t be pleased that such little squishy beings have gotten in the way of his grand almighty vision.  He’s sure to be building up and waiting to strike…

Conclusions

There, we did it!  We typed and analyzed all the main characters of Stranger Things!  So what does all this mean together?  How can we bring all these unique and powerful character stories back to a main, unified theme?

Well, there’s definitely a recurring theme in Stranger Things that if you don’t stand up to oppose evil, you end up being complicit to it.

Whether it’s ISFP(ip) Ted with his melodic “What’d I dooo?”, ENFJ(ij) Karen who just wants to keep her family safe, but ends up letting in the very people who are putting all of Hawkins in danger, or even early S2 Steve who thinks the only way to keep Nancy safe is to pretend like nothing happened; the show repeatedly tells us that if you turn a blind eye to evil, people get hurt and it’s at least partially your fault.

But on the other end of the spectrum, it shows that if you try and face evil alone, it overwhelms you.

We see in S1 as Nancy leaves Barb alone in the face of petty, shallow “friendships,” that that is when Barb is overcome and pulled down to the depths, masterfully juxtaposed with the fateful alliance that Nancy chose over being there for her friend.  And while having friends and family who refuse to leave him behind in S1 is ultimately what saves Will Byers from the same Upside Down fate as Barb, in S2 it’s Will’s attempt to stand his ground alone against a smoky embodiment of evil itself that loses Will his own will.  (Yes, I have totally been saving that play on words. 😉 )

Even Eleven, who up to this point hasn’t met an enemy or obstacle she hasn’t been able to best with her powers, when left to her own devices, fell victim to her own lack of understanding evil when it appears in individuals, almost pulling her to betray herself and not be there for her friends in the end.

On my second watch-through, our friend who was watching the show for the first time commented that there were situational “coincidences” that his friends would have been picky about.  Like, for example, it was good that Bob just happened to know BASIC (the programming language), otherwise they would have been really screwed.  Basically, my friend was worried that others would have grounds to critique the show because characters were miraculously saved from dire situations based on being lucky enough to have the right skills or correctly timed occurrence.  He was kind of (granted, on behalf of others) accusing Stranger Things of Deus ex Machina (“god from the machine”); overly convenient outs to seemingly impossible corners that the author has written themselves into.

I was instantly protective of the plot and characters I love so much and gave him an earful, lol, which was basically the summarized, rough-draft, verbal version of the following, although I’ve realized more that has made me all the more excited on the topic.

Okay, so there’s another story device called “Chekhov’s Gun” which is essentially that if an object or detail appears in the story, it should have a use later on, or it doesn’t deserve page or screen time.  And because of Chekhov’s Gun, if you’re genre savvy, every time a detail gets off-handedly mentioned, you’ll expect it to pop up later.  Here, check out the TVTropes page on it for better examples than I can think of at the moment.

But because of audiences savvy to this awesome tool, who are likely to spot an object’s relevance before it’s useful, I love Chekhov’s Boomerang which means the object/detail gets used one time, so you let your guard down about it, but then it comes back when you least expect it, and it’s amazing.

I bring Chekhov and his arsenal up (oh no, now I’m getting lost in TVTropes, as usual…let’s close some of these tabs…) because most amateur story critics (despite their pay grade.  Yes, to be clear that was a burn on critics.) are aware on some level of foreshadowing, and that if you set-up situational elements ahead of time, you’re allowed to use them without it being considered “cheating.”  However, Chekhov’s Gun and similar variations are the IP form of this kind of elegant story set-up; foreshadowing with intentional use of objects, situations, and details, which is IP’s jam.  Anton Chekhov himself being ISTP(ij), should it be any surprise that he would excel at using already established situational details to their best advantage, deliberately?  That’s literally the definition of his cognition, heh.

But people don’t typically understand the EP version of this set-up.  Like I said, “creative writing” in our culture tends to lean overly-specific.  What does elegant EP foreshadowing look like?  I’m going to dub it “Chekhov’s Chekhov;” that the ultimate EP foreshadowing is when things happen based on who a character was all along.  And Stranger Things makes fantastic use of Chekhov’s Chekhov.

Why is it fitting instead of “cheating” that Bob comes up against a challenge only solved by knowing BASIC?  Because, to use the tabletop roleplaying game term, BASIC was on “Bob the Brain’s” character sheet all along.  He’s a sweet, adorkable guy who works at Radioshack and forgot to “speak English” about techie stuff before.  He loves brain-teasers and started Hawkins AV Club.  It’s not surprising that Bob knows BASIC; of course he does.

Now if he suddenly saved the day with previously unrevealed ninja moves, we might be a little more skeptical.

However Bob’s choice to go alone to fix the security system shows us something that wasn’t already established for his character, although by that point it was hinted at: that he isn’t just a dork.  He’s actually brave and cares more about Joyce and her sons, and even everyone else, than he does about his own survival, and that is in fact what saves everyone.

As many times as I yelled “Dustin, no!” at the TV screen in S2, as he kept befriending, protecting, and defending Dart, it was that super-ESFP Morale Officer act of loving and defending who an individual is currently, for all their flaws (even if their face opens up and they eat your cat), that ultimately saves them down in the tunnels.  It’s not “convenient,” it’s Dustin having the ESFP intelligence that the rest of the party lacks.  Dustin being Dustin saves everyone.

Over and over again in Stranger Things what might at first appear as Deus ex Machina is actually more like “Amicitia ex Machina” – friendship from the machine.

Mike jumps to his seeming doom, to protect Dustin from bullies; why is he saved?  Eleven being Eleven, coming to the aid of her friends over and over again, even when she feels like the monster they need to be saved from.

Jonathan is pinned down by the demogorgon, evil flower in his face; how does it end up okay?  Steve is the Element of Loyalty and whacks at it with the nail-bat that’s now becoming signature gear for him.

When Hopper is a moron and goes into the tunnels without telling anyone where he’s going or even bothering to leave himself any way to climb back up, what saves him?  Will using his invader’s power against him, showing the strength to turn terrible power against itself, which he also uses later.

When Steve, Dustin, Lucas, and Max are surrounded by far more demodogs than they can possibly take on, what’s the solution?  …The Mind Flayer being the Mind Flayer with Will as its conduit, actually.  But it’s still a character being consistently themselves.

People are the indispensable resource, and not just enough people numerically.  The entire show demonstrates that each of the ensemble cast is needed and necessary in overcoming the insurmountable odds that evil presents, for who they themselves are personally.  It’s not big governments, scientists, or doctors with lab coats and official titles that save the day repeatedly in Stranger Things, nor is it just Hopper being beyond awesome and kicking the trash out of everything he meets.  Instead, it’s the combination of an ensemble that cares enough about each other to face evil in its wide varieties.

Like I said in the Marble Hornets post, when you have a villain who doesn’t understand people, and why their individuality and connections are so powerful, the best way to beat them is to use that human connection and will against them.

Probably my favorite sequence in the entire show (which is saying a lot because I love every moment), is where Will Byers is strapped to a chair and they’re trying to communicate with him past the Mind Flayer.  The whole S2 “Should I Stay or Should I Go?” scene is just so incredibly well done.  But one of my favorite elements to that whole string are the expressions on Will’s face.  The distinctions between when the monster is in control of Will’s face and voice, versus when Will is in control of himself are astoundingly clear.  As Will’s mother, brother, and best friend recount cherished memories of why he means so much to them, the monster just sort of stares at them, almost childlike in its lack of understanding, wondering why they’re talking at him this way.

The self-limited inverse of Will’s “I can use this” face, described in his section, the Mind Flayer’s expression on Noah Schnapp’s face seems to shout “I can’t use this!  What is this??” in response to all their tender stories.  He knows only the power of his own desires, and doesn’t even get why interpersonal connections would matter.

He doesn’t know how to use this human dribble to his advantage; he doesn’t know how to weaponize this.  But they do.  They know if they can just get through to Will and who he really is, they can access his strength, his intelligence, and his caring about other people; and they know that those things can be the monster’s downfall.

And they are.  I love that Will responds in Morse code, also part of his character sheet since all the boys are adorkable AV nerds, showing that not only is he stronger than the monster’s influence, but he’s using the connections he has with the others to connect right back.

Because what rings the truest in Stranger Things isn’t something limited to either the early 80s, or a little town where otherworldly things happen, but something universally true:  That people, being truly themselves and bringing their unique strengths to bear, undaunted by the fear that would have them cower, and united, however unexpectedly, by the desires to discover truth and to protect what truly matters, together can actually do something in this world.  It’s never easy, but it’s always worth it.

And that’s the reason why Eggos, walkie talkies, big hair, bikes, and Christmas lights have come to mean so much to me.  Because of the *people* of Stranger Things.

Actors and Honorable Mentions

This section is really bonus, so if I didn’t lose you 40,000 words or so ago, you can feel free to go now; this is the after-credits type stuff.  Although, hey, if you made it this far, maybe you’re a completionist and want to see this thing through to the end.  Or maybe you love Stranger Things as much as I do (although I’m pretty sure you didn’t spend 8 months writing 50,000 words about it, so I think I win… or lose, depending how you look at it).

Just as I struggle to trust story creators unequivocally, the people who portray the characters I love often disappoint, not living up to the quality of character demonstrated by their fictional counterparts.  However I’ve found myself generally quite pleasantly surprised by the cast of Stranger Things.  I mean, they aren’t story characters, and shouldn’t have to be.  I personally believe that if we expect actors to be anything other than regular people, we’re in for serious disappointment.  But as regular people, in the spotlight, they have immensely impressed me with their caring, graciousness, intelligence, and ability to see outside themselves.

This is where my embarrassment really comes into play lol.  As an EP, I often feel like my desire to catalog individuals and their reactions can seem overly impassioned.  I am obsessed with people, which is where aLBoP comes from.  I want to see people, truly see them… but often times people don’t want to be seen.  Being seen for who you are is vulnerable, and sometimes people don’t want their insides to show.

And so, especially when observing people who don’t even know who I am to observe me back, it can feel really intrusive observing them at length, especially with teenagers.  So I hope none of this is too presumptuous of me.  (That’s a good thing, right?)

But like I said, these individuals stick out to me, and so it’s a little embarrassing how much they’ve come to mean to me in the course of this post.  I was really excited for the premiere of S2 back in October, but didn’t binge right away.  But when I saw the Stranger boys on Jimmy Fallon (ENTP(ij)) they were just so shiny and good feeling (and the show clip so well done) that I was like “Okay, I need to watch ASAP.”

Teenagers always have a special place in my heart anyway because they tend to be so much less jaded and world-grimed than adults, and I loved to see how real these ones seemed.  Hollywood culture can be so vapid, underhanded and one-sided in so many ways, and so when individuals stand out, I’m not entirely sure if they themselves realize it.  I’m really hoping that as these kids grow up, they have stand-out people as a source-infrastructure to help them stay as cool as they are now, to become just as awesome adults, not just another L.A. Devotee.  (Man, can that kid seize on command or what?!)

I’ve become unexpectedly protective of them all.  Anyway, I won’t spend as long on the non-fiction people of Stranger Things as I have on the fictional ones, and I don’t have time to talk about the whole ensemble (which doesn’t mean I don’t think the ones unmentioned aren’t really cool), but I wanted to take a quick look at the Stranger kids… and David Harbour, because David Harbour.

 

Finn Wolfhard – ENFP(ip)
The Comfortable Standard-Bearer – A Comfortable Approach to Edifying Reactions

I’ve noticed how much Finn, Mike’s actor gets understandably frustrated when fans don’t treat them like real people.  And ENFP’s Type Spec is the Meaningful Concept of Individuals and who they are, starting with oneself, and so having strangers assert who you are and demand your attention all the time, almost as if they own the concept of who you are… yes, I understand why that would be infuriating to an ENFP.  Especially one getting as much attention and crush-love as Finn Wolfhard.  Bad fanfiction is annoying enough… fanfiction of your real life and character is so much worse.

I think Finn Wolfhard may be a little bit of a goober, but I mean that in a good way.  He really comes off to me as that classic ENFP attitude, on the outside being very “I’m cool, I’m cool, see I don’t care what people think of me, I’m super chill!” while internally they’re really “?I-care-so-much-what-people-think-holycrap-what-are-they-thinking-right-now????”  (And sometimes (ip)s of all types take their chill vibe way too seriously, imo as an (ep). Like ENTP(ip)s sometimes… But I digress.)  But despite that, sweet, young gooberness, I love the real place that Finn’s acting clearly comes from.  Mike comes from such a vulnerable place and I know that can’t be easy to share with the world.

And I love watching  his facial expressions as he’s actually super easy to read.  He seems like someone who really wants to be known, not just for his roles but for the subtly passionate way he cares about music, humor, and the people in his life.  And it makes me wonder if, like most ENFPs, he struggles to feel as awesome as the people around him, whom he probably sees the awesomeness of with ease.  But I think he’s a lot more awesome than he feels safe showing the world.

He also has mad ventriloquism skills and probably the coolest name ever.  I will probably never escape Justin intensely bursting out “WOLFHARD” as often as possible.

 

Gaten Matarazzo – ESFP(ij)
The Deliberate Morale Officer – A Deliberate Approach to Enjoyable Reactions

I love how the cast and crew talk about how Dustin wouldn’t have been Dustin without Gaten, as he seems to fill the character with himself brilliantly.  Clever, gracious and hilarious, Gaten seems to be himself wherever he is.

And he is so cool in his attitude about his cleidocranial dysplasia (CCD), which they also gave Dustin in the show, so positive and using it as an opportunity to help other people and encourage understanding.  He even sold a line of t-shirts featuring his own iconic missing-teeth smile so the proceeds could go to the charity CCD Smiles.

I think that’s not only turning some life-lemons into some pretty bad-a lemonade, but also just totally owning that even though it’s a difficult disorder to deal with, it just makes him all the more awesome and memorable.

The first time we hear about Dustin’s CCD in the show, it’s when he’s being bullied about it.  In contrast, Gaten effectively anti-bullies numberless kids, those who have CCD or anything they might be afraid might ostracise or hinder them, and tells them the ESFP motto of “You are wanted for all your struggles, not in spite of them.”  And we think that’s a pretty epic thing to do with the world looking at you as a teen.

 

Caleb McLaughlin – ISTJ(ej)
The Supercharged Sentinel – A Supercharged Approach to Practical Trends

I know that all the Stranger kids are musically inclined, with both Caleb and Gaten having been on Broadway, Finn’s band doing awesome, etc.  But every time I see Caleb McLaughlin, Lucas’s actor,  dance… daaaang!  Even if he’s just busting moves while acting out cutting through ooze (is that the right word?  Blame TMNT for putting that word in my head), he brings it epically.

A random rant of Justin’s (of which there are so many) is how he wishes there were more masculine dance styles and how he might enjoy fast-dancing more if he didn’t feel socially pressured to dance like a girl (his inability to dance 11 years ago was a sticking point when we were first dating).  Anyway, he likes to say and I agree, how masculine African-American dance styles such as hip hop are (not that there aren’t feminine styles of hip hop and omigosh you know what I mean), and I think of that every time I see Caleb and his classy ISTJ(ej) approach to dance moves.

I’ve noticed a big dance and music trend among ISTJ(ej)s in general, which surprised me at first, but in retrospect it makes sense as a good way for someone to celebrate culture in a Supercharged way.

Some examples: Madonna, Jennifer Lopez, Tyra Banks, and Chief Bogo* from Zootopia, when he lets his horns loose, and I’ve known more in-person examples.  (ej) as a subtype, like EJ as a Scope and Toi in general, is really the most group-aware of the subtypes and I think ISTJ(ej)s’ approach to dance shows it.  They jump in with both feet saying “here’s a physical way to manifest what my chosen culture means to me, with everything that brought us here,” with style, sass and a little bit of… junk in the trunk.

And now that I’ve seen the type similarity, I really want to hear Caleb sing “Under the Sea” from The Little Mermaid!

 

Sadie Sink – ESTJ(ej)
The Supercharged Cannon – A Supercharged Approach to Practical Events

I want to learn more about Sadie Sink, Max’s actress.  Especially since she’s the only one of the Stranger kids not playing her own cognition, I feel like there’s not as much about her cognition in here.  But she seems like a really sweet ESTJ(ej), the Action corner, sharing her type with Queen Elizabeth II and Gwyneth Paltrow as two lovely examples.  Also HK-47 from Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, whom I find lovely. ?

I just wish that interviewers would let Sadie Sink talk more.  All the kids get talked over frequently, but I swear every time I see Sadie trying to say something in an interview, she gets talked over, and she seems very thoughtful and well-spoken, so that’s dumb.  Problems with being the new kid, I guess.

But I think she’s quite elegant… probably a lot more elegant than Max, lol.

 

Noah Schnapp – INFJ(ij)
The Deliberate Paladin – A Deliberate Approach to Edifying Trends

Okay, we’ve over-established by this point that I have a special place in my heart for ‘dem INFJ(ij) boys.

I mean when I was 14 I created a teen protagonist that basically was Justin, three years before I met him.  (Fun fact: a lot of my earliest experiences with personality typing was scouring the internet in the mid-2000s for information on how to type my characters.  Shockingly, I actually typed Ellic, my sixteen-year-old INFJ scrawny, pale prince protagonist correctly at that time, as well as a couple of the other main characters, and that was with really poor definitions.)

Prince Ellic, image made circa 2004 with cutting edge internet dollmakers, plus my amazing Microsoft Paint skills that still come in handy today.

You know, and Paradoxitype and all that.  But all of that is really a roundabout way of saying that 14-year-old Calise would probably have been pretty obsessed with Noah Schnapp.  (I’m picturing a certain ENFP(ij) guy friend of mine saying “Because this doesn’t count?” to which I would say “? Shut-up!”)

But I do love how Noah displays a side of INFJ(ij) that people often seem to forget can coexist with the serious, simultaneously brooding and mild-mannered side.  I love to see how the kid who studied historical accounts of possession to understand his role, is the same kid who gets stuck in chairs, sticks straws up his nose, and has the Moves like Jagger.  (For the record, all four of the boys’ Lipsync Battles were really epic.  Now here, go watch them all singing on James Corden and break your repeat button.  Oh man, I could spend so much more time analyzing each of their facial expressions and movements throughout that video.)

And as much as I love the serious, timeless side of INFJ(ij)s—a side that makes Noah Schnapp seem much older than his currently 13 years—it’s merely complimented by their adorably dorky humor.  Like Noah’s meme faces or how he apparently loves the smell of his own farts ?.  I love how they can flip so quickly from solemn to utterly ridiculous.

It’s honestly a side I didn’t understand myself at first.  Justin was much more on the Will end of INFJ(ij) when we first met; sweet and real, but with so much weighing him down.  He always looked so tired.  And then when he would let himself be goofy, I just didn’t get it. (Social pressure from people close to me to break up with him, which I eventually did, certainly didn’t help that confusion.)

But as I came to know him, and I think being around me helped him feel safe to be himself, then he was just so funny to me, all the time.  Like I said in the 4ToL post (near the end), he’s endlessly surprising me and so never ceases to make me laugh.  Pulling humor from the way the world works is just so insightfully hilarious.

So my boy that is an endless well of WWII analogies and can pull Principles from literally anything, is also my boy who made this face in our Elsa and Aladdin give each other advice video:

Because INFJ(ij)s are both, just like we are all multifaceted in our own ways.

…Also Noah Schnapp is a cutie and I am so leaving it at that! ?

 

David Harbour – INTJ(ip)
The Comfortable Dragon – A Comfortable Approach to Expectable Trends

David Harbour is so hilariously curmudgeonly in that wonderfully INTJ(ip) way.  (Seriously, I know INTJ(ip) teenaged girls who are equally curmudgeonly and adorable about it.)  I love his relationship with his fans, like how he agreed that for enough retweets he would be in a fan’s yearbook photos—so long as he could hold a trombone—and actually went through with it!  And then he used his newfound Twitter power to get Greenpeace to take him to Antarctica so he could dance with penguins and learn from their parenting advice.

So I really really like David Harbour, even though he has all Hopper’s cynicism and then some.  He seems to me like a guy who wants to believe that there’s Principles and meaning that still make the world a beautiful place, and yet he’s seen so much crap that he’s… skeptical.  I need more amplifier words.  Exceedingly skeptical?  Undupably skeptical?  Something to that effect.

But it seems like Stranger Things gives him hope of greater meaning in the world, that the Duffers’ zoomed-out sensibilities make him feel like maybe it’s worth donning his dad-bod supersuit once in a while, because there are still good things and good people out there.

You can tell he cares and feels deeply, like all ITJs do under their common cloak of unaffectedness, (ip)’s often coming in a “but whatever” form, like Hopper says.

 

Millie Bobby Brown – INTJ(ej)
The Supercharged Dragon – A Supercharged Approach to Expectable Trends

I’m pretty sure I’ve exceeded my limit on using the word “adorable” in this post, especially when it comes to discussing the Stranger kids, but Millie Bobby Brown really is, in all her Britishness.  She’s classy and fiesty and dresses great.  Her BFFness with Noah makes me super happy, as bonding fellow INJ(j)s.  And her looking-up-to coworker crush on David Harbour couldn’t be cuter (and he clearly has super protective heart-eyes for her as well).

I also think she tries really hard with her fame platform to try and make a positive influence on everyone, promoting things like UNICEF.

All that being said, Justin pointed out that it makes him sad that, when compared to Eleven, she does seem very jaded.  Although, I can’t really blame her.  In the current world culture, it’s hard for a young IJ to know who to trust, and being disappointed in people is fairly inevitable.

I was actually already going to mention that I have learned to stop scrolling down to the comments section on Millie related things, just because so many people are irrationally mean to her in them, pretending like she was annoying, and wouldn’t let anyone else talk and had a big head about everything… which is just not the person I see.  But that was even before the poor thing has had to shut down her Twitter account recently because of cyberbullying reaching that extreme of a level against her, including outright slander and the hashtag “#takedownmilliebobbiebrown” ?.  Even though she seems to be taking it like a champ, stuff like that makes me so mad, especially when it’s wrongfully impugning someone’s character.  All the same, it just proves to me one of my favorite Taylor Swift lyrics ever: People throw rocks at things that shine.

Millie is beautiful and mature and has fame and fortune and everything that goes with it (sometimes my brain randomly quotes Queen, sorry), and it’s no wonder that when small people see something that soars higher than they do, they irrationally hope hitting it out of the sky will make them feel better about themselves.  Which it never does, but I’m not holding my breath until they figure that out.  So sometimes you just have to dust yourself off from their flung verbal feces and shine all the brighter, because even if they won’t listen to your message of “you can shine brighter too,” then maybe at least you can blind them with the sun off your wings.

That turned into a larger, more convoluted metaphor than intended.  Or analogy?  (That’s what you’re worried about??)  But I hope it gets across anyway.  Even though it involved throwing poop.  Now I’m trying to find a way to end the Millie section which doesn’t end with “poop.”

Um, she’s dignified, she can rap and she rocks the color pink.  She gets official Sunglasses™ brand sunglasses in my book. ?

See, I didn’t end with poop!

 

Shawn Levy – ESFJ(ej)
The Supercharged Cavalry – A Supercharged Approach to Enjoyable Events

I had to give a nod to Producer/Director Shawn Levy, because he just seems really awesome.  Generally my opinion of the title “producer” is very low, because it seems like too many producers (not just of movies and tv, but video games as well) are the pushy people behind the scenes that focus on pandering to the lowest common denominator of audience in order to bow to the bottom line, and don’t really care about the quality of the story itself.  And Shawn Levy has struck me as very not one of those people.  Not only has he directed some of my favorite episodes (“Holly Jolly” is probably my favorite of S1, on the whole, and I already talked about how much I loved the end of “Pollywog”/ beginning of “Will the Wise”… and I also thought the movie Night at the Museum was classic and adorable), but from everything I’ve seen of him, it’s about letting the story speak for itself, and trusting that a good enough audience will be able to appreciate the worth of that good story.

His approach to story seems like the embodiment of ESFJ’s Type Specialization, a focus on what Actions will bring the Group the most Enjoyment, together; namely the audience, first and foremost.  And with the Duffers both being so zoomed-out Universal, it seems like Shawn Levy brings a healthy Specifically focused perspective, to ground the show.

I’m also proud of catching his cameo as a morgue worker in “The Body” all by my lonesome. ?

Ted Wheeler

And finally, we had to give a tribute to Justin’s favorite character in Stranger Things, Ted Wheeler, in all his chicken-eating amazingness.  One day, Justin and I had the following exchange:

Justin: “If I came up with lyrics to “The Man They Call Ted” to The Man They Call Jayne, would you put it in the post?”
Calise: “Yes!”
Justin: “Well, now I know what I’m going to be doing during loading screens…”

And the following piece of art was born.

Lyrics: Justin Sellers
Music: “The Hero of Canton (The Man they Call Jayne)” from Joss Whedon’s Firefly
Guitar: Erik Caviness
Vocals: Justin Sellers, Jason Sellers, Nathan Sellers, Erik Caviness
Edited: Calise Sellers
Starring: Ted Wheeler, the hero of Hawkins, Indiana

This video is dedicated to Erik’s thumb, which was injured in devotion to this recording, and to the manliness of Ted.

Thank you for coming and sticking with our many thoughts about this incredible work and the people who make it such an experience, in front of and behind the scenes.

Much love,
<3 Calise (and so much by Justin too)

  • We live 2 hrs north of Atlanta, and the filming location for Hawkins Middle was an extra hour south, but totally worth it!

And because I’m too proud, here are font easter eggs:

  • “Will Byers” – Coconutezz (because coconut-head hair)
  • Joyce’s “ISTJ(ep)” – Willful
  • Jonathan’s “ISTP(ij” – Seagull (Because “Yoda will change your life”)
  • Bob’s “ENFP(ep)” font – Crystal Radio Kit (Based on the vintage Radio Shack logo)
  • I also used color-picker on 1980s computer programming to get the green for “The Natural Standard Bearer”
  • One of Murray’s bottles says Vodka in cyrillic and the other has a little imitation of the 80s Canada Dry logo
  • Dustin’s candybar actually says “3 Musketeers” in very little font
  • I made the stick figure Eggos box from scratch

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Type Heroes: INTJ – The Dragon https://alittlebitofpersonality.com/type-heroes-intj-the-dragon/ https://alittlebitofpersonality.com/type-heroes-intj-the-dragon/#comments Fri, 17 Feb 2017 21:23:39 +0000 http://www.alittlebitofpersonality.com/?p=3617 All the typings and observations in this post are based on definitions and information presented in the aLBoP Guided Tour 😀 So if any of it bugs you, please go read that before leaving me a grumpy comment… Or, you know what?  Let’s just skip the grumpy comments!  Have a nice day! <3 INTJ The […]

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All the typings and observations in this post are based on definitions and information presented in the aLBoP Guided Tour 😀 So if any of it bugs you, please go read that before leaving me a grumpy comment… Or, you know what?  Let’s just skip the grumpy comments!  Have a nice day! <3


INTJ
The Dragon

“I seek the means to fight injustice;
to turn fear against those who prey upon the fearful.”
Bruce Wayne, Batman Begins

The INTJ Dragon is the dynamic facilitator of the world as it might be.  Backed by the unyielding efficacy of universal principles and the useful plans of action which proceed from them, the Dragon knows just how to shape large-scale trends with penetrating accuracy.  Majestic and surprising, these titans excel at unleashing the world’s untapped potential.

With big, wide eyes for Principles and the use of what could be, young INTJs immediately see a special world, not immediately visible to most; a world of complete, interworking elegance, where anything you imagine *can* be accomplished, the only limit being on how much you know and understand the world and its trends.  So, from a very young age, little INTJs will be bursting to know about how things always work, trying to extend the borders of their capacity to do and change.

Complex little things, with a depth of desires and goals that usually extends beyond what their years and size might let on, young INTJs are usually quite varied, and often the same little INTJ will be vastly different depending on their surroundings, with the same INTJ alternating from silly and effusive in a situation where they feel comfortable, to withdrawn and closed down in a situation where they feel like their hidden depths are undesired or unsafe.

With their feelings and motives late in their cognitive process giving ITJs a natural inclination to cloak and protect their feelings, and with very little patience for shallow interactions and associations, it might be hard to tell what’s going on inside a mini INTJ (or a full-sized one).  And with INTJ’s Type Specialization of discovering and accomplishing the unused potential of what the world can be, little INTJs can often be accused of not caring about the needs or social desires of others, with extreme examples of young INTJs being called “heartless” or “monsters” for not wearing their vaulted hearts on their sleeves.

In a culture where status-quo is god, where the ability to keep one’s life from changing unexpectedly is lauded as the pinnacle of safety and responsibility, INTJ’s natural desire and ability to bloom change on an epic scale is often deemed immensely frightening… which leads to the ever-present portrayal of INTJs as villains in media (and regurgitated stereotypes >:C ).

When society treats INTJs like villains for a desire to shape and change the world into the beautiful thing they can imagine, a little INTJ can quickly become disheartened as their experiences with individuals (their last and most vulnerable cognitive step) teach them that their desires are too forceful, to ambitious, too idealistic, and too isolated.

For all cognitions, our last steps are our greatest struggle, leading to our Type Angsts.  For INTJs, this means that all their frustration and self-disappointment with feeling like their motives aren’t stable and reliable enough, as well as feeling lost about what motivates others, gets interpreted within INTJs as a deep, core fear that everything is their fault.

Used to being able to line up their plans as the natural continuation of Principles, and follow through to make things happen, INTJs naturally end up fearing that if something went wrong on the way to the ideal of what could be, that it could have been avoided had they personally done something different.  If only they had been faster, stronger, better, cared more, not trusted individuals so much… been in control of themselves and everything they touched, then things would have just gone right, and safe and like they were supposed to.  We call this deeply embedded fear and the ways INTJs cope with it, Anakin Angst.

These fears and interactions give an INTJ three choices.

The first is to react to Anakin Angst by insisting that they truly *can* be in control of everything, that they can make the world they imagine… if they just go around everyone who is getting in their way.  Often with resentment of those who do not grasp their vision, these first choice INTJs will be undeniably driven to accomplish the feats they know are within their reach, if they just push the limits a little farther.

But these INTJs are also likely to pull inward, shutting down to people, who just start looking like a liability in the way of what needs to be accomplished.  And since other people have wills of their own, this clenching INTJ is likely not to be able to just go around everyone.  In the pursuit of their own visions, this INTJ can easily end up stepping on the visions and Type Specializations of others, adopting an attitude, perhaps without even meaning to, that others’ ambitions, desires and wills must be of less use, if they can’t see what needs to be done to achieve the giant end goal.  When INTJs consider others’ desires to be subservient to the big picture, they can end up trying to force others’ wills, often even becoming an example of the very thing they wanted to fight in the first place.

But INTJs who insist on pursuing their visions without regard to the people around them will find their destination cold, lifeless and alone, lacking the brightness of other points of view and wills going in their very own directions.  A world without perspective from every direction, and every Type of Information and Objective represented, won’t have either the use or meaning it needs, and that’s hardly the smooth-running utopia that an INTJ may picture.

The second option INTJs have, is to defer to those who insist their ambitious hopes for the world are just too drastic, dramatic and long-sighted, and so they temper their own goals to fit the expectations of those around them.  Surely, they think, their vision of the future is as dangerous and inconsiderate as it is portrayed.  Surely they should let others, with safer intentions, protect individuals from their damaging objectives.  And so the INTJ tries to put away the planetarium of their minds in favor of following the path that is already set, or risk the possibility of breaking the world the ones they love, love.

The ironic thing is that these second-option INTJs often end up afraid and withdrawn from the very people they hoped to protect and care for, assured that their intentions are something that they need to keep away from others, or end up hurting them in the process.  And in addition, as they grow deflated about others’ opinions of their motives and intents, this INTJ is likely to feel unwanted and close off their secret heart from others.

But an INTJ who has halted the pursuit of the potential they envision will inevitably end up discovering that trying to quarantine their true desires doesn’t actually end up keeping the ones they love from harm.  Meanwhile, their ability to make good in the world is tragically minimized as they refuse to stand and live up to their own personal power.

However, the INTJ story need not have a dark ending.  Despite what INTJs may fear when the path seems lone to carry out ideals that some would never think to expect, their designs and ambitions are wanted and desired by individuals who love the inspiring might that healthy INTJs bring with them.

If this third INTJ turns to those who can ground them in the meaning and worth of individuals, including themselves, they will be able to gather the strength to reject the negative image that many would give them of their own character.  And as INTJs learn to love the person they are, by listening to those who truly see them and know their hidden depths, then their visions are given the perspective of hope.  And an INTJ with true hope is completely unstoppable.

Because the world needs those who can wield universal principles like cleansing fire, people who are ready to stand and do the hard things in order to protect those who cannot protect themselves, those who can use sweeping trends like wings to further grand plans; in short, the world needs INTJ Dragons.

The INTJ Dragon is found often and memorably throughout fiction.  Whether it’s as the fearless mentor and leader who isn’t afraid to push their protégés to their limits, the child with power and secrets that even they themselves do not understand, the scholar who has more adventure in them than might first meet the eye, or yes, even the villain who is always one step ahead of the heroes—the Dragon is always there with their gears turning.

And in fact, even though I usually reserve an examination of the “Dark side” of each Type Hero for the end, it seems with the Dragon I can’t wait that long.  INTJs are so very often cast as villains, to the point that it’s joke worthy, that we really can’t go on longer without addressing the fictional fascination with Dark Dragons.

But I think the major reason that INTJs are so often cast as villains in stories, besides fear of the change that INTJ’s Type Specialization brings, is that they really are pretty bad-A at it.  I was nervous to include so many villainous examples in this post, as part of my intent in writing The Dragon is to overcome the stereotypes associated with this wonderful cognition… but the thing is, it’s hard *not* to love Dark Dragons.

In a world that often treats power itself like a villainous trait, our sense of archetype finds it refreshing seeing characters who both have and use the power necessary to take the world by storm, shaping it and changing it, letting nothing stand in their way.  How can we not feel a thrill of excitement when these titans come on the screen or page, their thunderous theme music filling us.

But the lie, I believe, that our culture buys into in this case, is that power itself is the treacherous slope that has brought these leviathans down their dark paths.  As our true heroic Dragons show us, power used to protect, nourish and empower the individual wills of others, as opposed to subverting them, is something we desperately need more of.

I found it fascinating to realize how often within the same piece of fiction, both the teaching mentor and the villain would be written as INTJ.  Dumbledore versus Voldemort, Professor Charles Xavier versus Magneto, Nick Fury versus Loki, Elrond versus Sauron; over and over again, the author gives both the student-protagonists and ourselves the prospect of two potential worlds, given voice by two powerful INTJs who can imagine very different scenarios of how the world could be.

But our mentor INTJ has been to the edge, they’ve seen the slippery slope of power, and realized that the rise and fall of every civilization has one thing in common: its people.  A Dragon who has been to the other side of Anakin angst and is ready to lead others to the magnificent world they can imagine, realizes that they’ll never get there without individuals to back them up, fuel their way, and show them that what brings their world color, is the people in it.

Like all IJs, INTJs feel like “if I don’t do it, no one will,” and as the most future-oriented of the most zoomed-out types (NT, IJ), the Dragon is enduring, patient, and calculatingly meticulous, toward the larger end goals they’re trying to achieve.  But when not left alone, the Dragon can be an immense friend.

While they might have to go out of their way to show just how much they care, Dragons love people quite deeply, especially those who have shown integrity and a lasting appreciation of the principles they hold the dearest.  And though they might not expect to find those who will truly love, respect and see them for who they really are, the Dragon is likely to latch onto such people like the ray of brightest hope they could imagine.  Always paradoxically both complicated and straightforward, with a deep-seated seriousness, and yet with a childlike understanding of people, the Dragon is likely to catch you off guard with unexpected humor that’s remarkably true and yet not what others would be thinking about.

Dragon or Dark Dragon, INTJs are sure to be able to take the world by storm, but with people who can anchor them in hope and perspective, nothing can get in the way of a healthy Dragon on their way to make the world better.

Examples:
Male: Sherlock, BBC’s Sherlock
Female: Eleven, Stranger Things
Villain: Loki, Thor and The Avengers

Who are the Type Heroes?  Read the intro here, and stay tuned to meet them all!

Want more information on INTJ, the Dragon?  Read their Cognitive Orientation Guidebook here.

Author’s note – 2/17/17: This post is the 9th in the Type Heroes series, but the first in several years.  Part of the reason it took me so long to come back to this series, even though it is by far the most requested, is because I’ve learned so much in the nearly four years of creating aLBoP (and I learn new things all the time) and I want to do justice to all the beautiful complexity that I’ve learned about each of the cognitive types over the years!  I wish I could just go back immediately and update the previous 8 Type Heroes to the level of detail and nuance that I’ve been able to pour into this one, but that would really clog up my ability to produce new content, especially since 7 types are still desperately waiting for any version of their Type Hero!

But my hope and plan is to finish out the last of the Type Heroes (cue The Last of the Mohicans music in my head) with this degree of balance and depth, and *then* return to update and improve the previous 8 Type Heroes to my new standards, collages included most likely.  So if you’re thinking “Hey!! 😛  Why does INTJ get the oh-so-special treatment??!?!” it’s just because it’s the first in the New and Improved™ Type Heroes!  Super excited for all to come, and hoping it’ll show everyone all the better that anyone can be a hero. <3

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Typing Tutorial (plus Character Spotlight!) https://alittlebitofpersonality.com/typing-tutorial/ https://alittlebitofpersonality.com/typing-tutorial/#comments Sun, 23 Aug 2015 05:27:00 +0000 http://www.alittlebitofpersonality.com/typing-tutorial-plus-character-spotlight/ Hey!  This is Justin!  Since I’m gonna be doing a lot of Phase 2, it’s probably good for me to say hi.  It’s been awesome getting to talk to you guys over chats and emails, and I’m excited to finally get to do some character spotlights! For this first one, we’re going to be focusing […]

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Hey!  This is Justin!  Since I’m gonna be doing a lot of Phase 2, it’s probably good for me to say hi.  It’s been awesome getting to talk to you guys over chats and emails, and I’m excited to finally get to do some character spotlights!

For this first one, we’re going to be focusing especially on how to type people.  A lot of you have asked for help with typing people yourselves, so let’s walk through the process!

We’ve also convinced a couple of stick people, Gwen and Phil, to sacrifice their dignity and show us how *not* to type.  They’re going to do their best to type correctly, using oversimplified, stereotypical methods and definitions, and we’ll see how they do.

 

For this tutorial, we wanted to type a cool, engaging character who’s also kinda obscure.  That way, we shouldn’t have to worry much about preconceptions of the character’s type.  We wouldn’t want to start out with Darth Vader, say.  (We’ve seen Lord Vader typed as pretty much every single type :P)

That’s exactly the sort of subjectivity that we’re excited to get past here!  Regardless of whether we’re typing someone’s behavior or their cognition, if it all ends up coming down to subjective arguments over what type they are, then there’s something wrong with our methodology.  A reliable, repeatable, useful science needs to be objective, no matter who’s looking at it.

This kind of independent objectivity isn’t something a lot of people would associate with personality typing.  All too often, personality typing gets misused as a vague, horoscope-ish way of boiling people down to a simplistic little list of traits that could really be true of almost anyone.  Gwen and Phil are gonna demonstrate how this vagueness doesn’t work.  Aren’t you, guys?

We, on the other hand, are all going to show these two the consistent roots of cognitive typing.  We’re going to walk through how the cognitive definitions of the letters leave no wiggle room for subjective fudging; once we know how the letters work at their root, then every typing becomes clear.

So who’s our lucky, obscure victim for this demonstration?  Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, I give you…

…a peacock.

But not just any peacock.  This is the nefarious Lord Shen, the brilliant and, in my estimation, very charming villain of Kung Fu Panda 2.  Yes, there really is a movie called Kung Fu Panda, if you didn’t know.  Two of them, actually, with a third on the way.  And they’re really fantastic, with excellent themes told in a skillful way, and very good plot structure, and also very pretty. 

So we’re gonna type our peacock, step by step.  What’s he gonna be?

 

Gwen and Phil: INTJ!!

Wait, huh?

 

Gwen: Villain, therefore INTJ.

Phil: Done.  Next?

Okay…  Well, he might be, we’ll have to go through it and see.  Trying to type someone based on broad generalizations about what any type is like is dangerous, and probably kinda hurtful to people of that type.  I’m sure real INTJs never get tired of being called villains and soulless monsters, after all.

Any type can be villainous, heartless, devious, selfish, etc.  So if we start saying that anyone who’s villainous must be INTJ, when in reality any of the 16 types can be villains, then we’re only going to be right about one-sixteenth of the time, through sheer luck.

Likewise, if we start saying that anyone who’s thoughtful, private, creative, or heroic must be INFJ, then we’re going to be wrong fifteen-sixteenths of the time.  If we say that anyone who’s fun, bouncy, and lives in the moment must be ESFP, then we’re going to get it wrong fifteen times out of sixteen.  These sorts of generalizations are too vague, because in reality, anyone of any type can sometimes fit them.

Can INTJs be bouncy and live in the moment?  Absolutely; they’ll just do it in an INTJ way, which is usually distinctly adorable.

Okay Gwen and Phil, so we can’t just shout out four-letter combos based on generalized caricatures.  Sound good?  When we do, we often neglect any coherent definition of the letters themselves.

So first, let’s start with E and I.  Which is Lord Shen?

Gwen: I!

Phil: E!

Ooh, a disagreement!  This is why we picked these two.  Alright, let’s start with Phil.  Why do you say Shen’s an Extravert?

Phil: Did you even *see* how many henchmen he has?  The guy’s always surrounded by followers.  He loves the attention.  Can you imagine him sitting alone with a book?  Totally not his style.  He’s a diva, an attention hog, he even wants his enemies to be there to see him win.  Absolutely an Extravert.

Gwen: Wrong.

Okay Gwen, why do you say he’s an Introvert?

Gwen: None of those henchmen are his friends.  He wants to be alone.  He hates his family, he doesn’t respect anyone, and he wants all the glory for himself.  He’s obviously well-studied, which says Introvert to me.  Who invented firearms?  He did, alone.  When everyone else was watching fireworks, he was in his room, figuring things out.  Lord Shen is an Introvert.

Phil: Oh come on, what about—

Alright, let’s stop right here.  This is the problem, guys.  See the subjectivity happening here?

Gwen: No.  I’m just saying it how it is.

Phil: Yeah, right!  You’re totally ignoring, like, everything!

This is what we mean, both of you.  Picking and choosing scenes, situations, lines of dialogue, whatever you can find to support your view.  That’s subjective, because each viewer may focus on different things.  You both make interesting arguments that bring out important parts of Shen’s character.  If we invited a few more stick people to join you, I bet they’d each have even more different reasons for saying E or I.  At this rate, sixteen different stick people might type Shen as sixteen different types!

This is often how it goes all over the internet, where there are a lot more than sixteen people.  And this is a large part of the reason why some people consider personality typing to be unscientific, because guys, subjective picking-and-choosing isn’t science.  You can’t test it, you can’t verify it, and really of what use is it?  What predictions does it make about Shen, or about anyone?  What does it do besides divide people into little boxes?

Gwen, you mentioned that Shen must be an Introvert because he alone invented firearms.  Do you realize that you just accused half of humanity of being unable to invent new things on their own?

Gwen: Well, I…

You are an Introvert, or at least you identify as one, so you are used to inventing things in an Introverted way.  You’re used to doing so many things that way.  This does not mean that Extraverts cannot invent things just as well, it means only that they’ll do it a bit differently from the way you’re used to.  This is another problem with subjective personality typing: it can give us an attitude that anyone who doesn’t think the way we do, doesn’t think.  Or at least doesn’t think very well.

This sort of subjectivity usually means that there’s a problem with the definitions we’re using.  Poor definitions leave room for subjectivity, for bias and fudging.  In any discipline, useful definitions give us a clear idea of what we’re working with, so we can build upon them to reach reliable conclusions that will apply accurately in all the complexity of life.  Unreliable definitions become less helpful, because we can’t really depend on them to guide us when we need definite, clear answers.  These kinds of fuzzy definitions can be great as a stepping stone to more coherent ones, but they’re not good for depending on in practice.

So Gwen and Phil, what definitions were you using to determine whether Shen is an E or an I?

Gwen: May I remind you, you told us to use stereotypes and oversimplified definitions?

Phil: Ya bro, what gives?

Oh right, sorry guys.  Okay, what definitions did I talk you into using, while you did your best to type Shen correctly?

Gwen: Not the easiest task.

Phil: You know the drill, who doesn’t?  Extravert means fun, social, likes to be the center of attention at parties.

Gwen: And draws energy from interacting with others.

Phil: Yeah, that too.  And Introvert means drawing energy from being alone.  Likes books, sitting alone thinking, writing, dreaming…antisocial stuff.

Once again, you guys see how fast it becomes a little insulting?  Antisocial isn’t necessarily a good thing, even if someone does prefer to be alone with their own thoughts.  In the same way, even if someone likes being around others more, they may not appreciate being portrayed as a vapid party animal.

And this brings out one of the immediate flaws in these definitions: they’re a little too limiting.  What if I like being social sometimes, but not always?  What if I’m feeling really social at the moment, but a few hours ago I really wanted to have time to myself?  Perhaps we can fudge with the definitions to make room for this sort of nuance, but already that’s a bad sign.  When we have to fudge with definitions, that probably means we need to reevaluate how reliable and comprehensive our definitions are in the first place.

Strong definitions leave no room for exceptions, which usually means they end up being binary, covering opposite sides of a clear dichotomy.  For example, if I say that E means red and I means blue, then that does not cover all possibilities.  Where would a green person fit in?  Or a yellow one, or a gray one?  We could fudge and say, “Well, if you’ve done your reading, you’ll know that gray people are grouped more on the blue side, and yellow are grouped closer to red…”  Alright, but what does “closer to red” mean?  How much of the definition of red do they get?  If we’re saying that E means red, then exactly how E are yellow people?

This is an example of a shaky, clumsy definition, because it isn’t binary.  And that’s why it needs all the extra justifications and special cases about people who aren’t quite red or blue.  Red and blue are not opposites, even if they’re very different from each other.  And because they’re not opposites, they let a flood of exceptions through.  And where there are exceptions, it gets harder to make predictions, which means everything becomes less scientific and more subjective.

Alright, then suppose we define E as red, while I means not-red.  Okay, now everyone of every color will fit squarely within either E or I, with no subjective doctoring needed.  Either you’re red, or not.  Very simple.  Binary.

Yet this brings up another problem!  Are these definitions of E and I consistent with reality?  Well, that depends what we’re trying to show with our definition, but I expect that if we actually tried to define E as red and I as not-red, then most people would find that very useless in terms of psychology.  And we’d probably end up with a whole lot more Is than Es, because there are a lot more not-red things in the world than red ones.

So yes, we need to make the definitions of E and I binary, so they don’t invite subjective fiddling by letting exceptions through.  But we also need to make the definitions of E and I true to reality, so they don’t leave anyone feeling limited or oversimplified.  And that takes a whole lot of patient observation and experimentation, and means we have to allow our budding definitions to evolve to become better verbal reflections of what nature’s already been doing all along.

So after some care, we ended up with the definitions of E and I that we’ve been using here on aLBoP:  That E means cognitive Extraversion, which entails looking out at the world in order to gather information and ideas, while I means cognitive Introversion, which entails looking inward to consider information and ideas.  That’s fairly binary as it is, outward vs. inward, but an important part of the equation is that everyone does both, yet each person prioritizes one before another.  If Es do outward-then-inward, while Is do inward-then-outward, then that seems very neatly binary.
But what if someone does outward-then-outward?  Where would that fit?  Or what if someone looks outward first sometimes, but inward first at others?  This is where we have to see if our definitions pair up with reality.  In practice, it seems that not only does everyone do both, never just doing the same one twice, but also that a person’s cognitive preference never deviates!  It’s pretty amazing, but apparently it’s the way cognition works.  Everyone wants to look outward, and everyone wants to look inward, but each individual wants to do one a little more than the other, deep down.  Due to what each of us secretly desires most, our psyches will consistently prioritize Introverted pondering or Extraverted observation, one or the other, in the same way in every situation.

These definitions were not arrived at out of thin air; we simply dug down to find what was really going on behind Extraversion and Introversion.  What was the root cause that resulted in all the behavioral symptoms?  A cold may give you a cough, but the cough is just a symptom, and many things besides a cold may give you the same symptom.  Digging down to the root cause, we can find out what a cold actually is, and what cognitive Extraversion and Introversion actually are, demonstrating what causes the symptoms without being confused by them.

And because we’re defining root causes rather than symptoms, we don’t end up limiting anyone.  No one should be made to feel limited in their behaviors, choices, aptitudes, or anything about the person they want to be.  Since these definitions get down to the cognitive root, we avoid exceptions and subjectivity, we keep close to reality in actual practice, and we reflect the way people already approach the world without limiting anything that they want to do or be.

Phew!  So…yeah.  Definitions are one of the absolute most important, and most neglected, aspects of any discipline.  Shaky definitions lead to shaky science and hurtful oversimplifications, while strong definitions lead to clear understanding, accurate predictions, and no insulting stereotypes!

So guys, let’s see how our clarified definitions of E and I fare.  Does Lord Shen look outward at the world first, then consider things in his mind?  Or does he consider things in his mind first, then look outward?

Phil: Hm…

Gwen: Uh…can we watch the movie again?

Yeah!  Okay, so the first time we see him is in the intro montage.  He’s a happy young peacock living with his parents, who rule the city.  They’ve invented fireworks, which makes everyone happy.  But Shen sees destructive potential in the black powder.  We don’t get to see how this realization occurs, so here we have to admit that we lack sufficient information.  That’s very important to do, when necessary.  Maybe Shen figured this out by pondering in his own mind, Introverted, or maybe he figured it out by watching how things work, Extraverted.  We just don’t get shown, so we have to say we don’t know.

Score: I – 0, E – 0

 Then, worried about his budding nutball-ness, Shen’s parents consult a soothsayer to find out what to do.  The soothsayer warns that unless Shen changes, he’ll one day be defeated by a warrior of black and white.  And there’s a cool yin/yang symbolism evoked.  But Shen can read foreshadowing as well as we can, and he thinks, “Pandas!”  And he reacts.  Violently.

This says Extravert, at this point.  Why?  Because Shen is choosing his action based on what he’s observed outside.

Gwen: But couldn’t an Introvert do that too?

Sure, everyone of any type can do anything!  Yet they’ll each do it in different ways.  An Introverted Shen, upon overhearing the soothsayer, would consider how her words matched up with what Shen had already considered in his own mind.  Observation of the soothsayer’s words would be secondary to his own previous thoughts.  He might arrive at the same course of action, but it would be motivated by his own thoughts, not immediately by the soothsayer’s words.  An Introverted Shen would have gone away, thinking, then hatched a violent plan and gone forward.  This Shen, on the other hand, hears the words and reacts!  It’s the words of the soothsayer, an external source of information, which impel his action, not his own internal pondering.  Make sense?

Gwen: I suppose, so far at least…

Phil: This is just a montage, though.  Maybe he went and thought and we never saw it?

Yes, this is a quick montage, so that is still possible, Phil.  But be careful of adding scenes that aren’t there.  In good storytelling, we get a well-rounded view of a character by seeing the choices they make, and how they make them.  That’s what makes well-crafted fictional characters a great place to start typing!  So far, it seems the story is showing us that Shen reacts to external information, rather than internal.

Score: I – 0, E – 1

So Shen gathers his wolf cronies, and commits genocide against all the pandas.  And then here’s what’s really interesting: he comes home, expecting his parents to be proud!  This shows how messed up he is, yes, and anyone of any type can be.  Yet this also shows a distinct focus on others’ opinions.  This again suggests Extravert, seeking information from outside, in this case from other people.

An Introverted Shen, by contrast, might still intensely crave his parents’ approval, but he would not seek it as a way to validate or justify his actions.  He would not seek outside opinions or approval to show him that what he’d done was good.  Rather, when he came to his parents in triumph, he would have already determined that what he’d done was good or necessary.  Their love would be what he’d want, and if he believed that their love depended on their approval, then he might seek their approval for its own sake.  But he would not expect their approval to validate his choice of action.

 The movie’s Extraverted Shen, on the other hand, bursts in triumphantly, clearly expecting his parents’ pride to endorse his decisive, fate-defying action.  And so when he sees their horror, it crushes him.  When they banish him and all his wolf henchmen, he is being cut off from the most precious source of external information he has: his parents, and his home.  All his reactions to this show a cognitive Extraversion, looking outward to understand life.

Score: I – 0, E – 2
 

One last bit from the montage:  When Shen is banished, he vows revenge.  Okay, what kind of revenge?  Does he swear to return and destroy them all?  Or maybe take over the city?  Well he sure seems to intend that, but what he says is interesting.  That someday he’ll return, and everyone will bow at his feet.  Again, this is Extraverted.  His version of revenge is entirely external, centered around what others do and how they view him.  It isn’t motivated primarily by what he can get for himself; it’s all centered around what he can do to others, and how he can force them to view him.

Score: I – 0, E – 3
 

 Wow, this is being pretty consistent so far!  And notice that none of it is determined by *what* Shen does, but by *how* he does it.  In every instance, an Introvert could do the same actions, but they’d do it with entirely different motives and goals.

This method of considering both options, Introvert and Extravert, and then seeing which matches with the actual character, keeps us safe from subjective cherry-picking.  All too often, people watch movies, read books, or look at real people and cherry-pick only the actions or words they want in order to suggest the type they want.  But once we recognize that anyone can do or say anything, regardless of their type, that kind of subjectivity falls apart.  Then we have to look at how and why the person does or says what they do, and consider how they might do the same action differently if they cognated differently.  If you think a character or person is a certain letter, then ask, “What would they be like if they were the other letter?”  Explore both, and see what happens!

And so the movie goes on.  And over and over, Shen displays an entirely consistent focus outward, at others’ opinions, their actions, and their estimation of him.  This is not to say that Extraverts are insecure; Introverts can be just as cripplingly insecure, and either can be healthy and chill, yet as always, they’ll do it in different ways.
 

When Shen finally does return, you can tell he’s rehearsed the whole grand entrance.  He wants to make his enemies pay.  Then when he gives his private victory speech, with only the soothsayer as audience, he points out how much he’s rehearsed this moment.  Soon after, when he learns of the existence of one last panda, we see him nervously rehearsing a scripted “At last we meet!” speech.  This kind of rehearsal shows how much Shen cares about the way everyone sees him in an Extraverted way, focusing outward on their opinions even more than on his own victories.

This awareness of others’ opinions doesn’t make Extraverts weak or shallow; on the contrary, their focus on others can give them perspective that Introverts might overlook.  Their outward awareness can make it easier to know others’ needs, and easier to have a thick skin against others’ opinions, having a clearer awareness of the motives behind those opinions.  While unhealthy Extraverts like Shen may be quite insecure in their awareness of how others see them, healthy Extraverts can be all the more calm and confident for it.

Interestingly, rehearsing also lets Shen feel almost Introverted, motivated by his own predetermined script rather than feeling vulnerable to others’ words or opinions.  Yet the sheer fact that Shen has to keep rehearsing shows how much that kind of Introverted action does not come naturally to him.  He can learn to do it, just as anyone can learn to do anything, but it is harder for him.  Just like observing others and reacting accordingly is a bit harder for Introverts.

This also brings up an unfortunate tendency of less healthy Es.  Shen rehearses and rehearses, but when he finally meets Po the Panda, the meeting doesn’t go at all as he’d expected.

When Extraverts rehearse without having a correct image of their audience in mind, it’s a sign of unhealthiness, of being stuck in their own heads while flailing at the outside world.  Even healthy Es can do this, but when they do, it’s a sign that they’re slipping into quite unhealthy attitudes.  When Extraverts go off on a subject without considering their audience, when they rant on social media making others wonder who they’re trying to talk to, when it seems as if they’re shouting at a wall in long, pre-scripted tirades, then that shows they’re being closed-off, and in fact clinging to insecurities about their last cognitive step.  This inevitably leads to erroneous attitudes, ideas, and harmful decisions.  Introverts can do all this too, of course, but they’ll do it in a different way, becoming obsessed with how others see them, in fact paying too much attention to their audience!  Yet as always, the more both Es and Is learn to focus on their first step instead of their last, the more they’ll snap out of it and actually talk *to* people, instead of talking *at* them.

Back to our buddy Shen, he keeps the old soothsayer around, obsessed with what she has to say about his future, even when it remains unchanged after all his years of planning.  He needs to see her proven wrong.  He needs her to admit it.  And so she trolls him, knowing he’ll be hanging on her every word.  Shen views the soothsayer as a vital source of external information, a window into the future which Shen feels so desperately powerless to affect.  In a way, the future and its immutable consequences are the ultimate external information.  So everything Shen does is meant to beat the future, to change it, to force it to conform to his actions as a final way of validating them.  All entirely Extraverted.

I’m not sure what the score would be by this point in the film, but it’s looking like a shutout with E trouncing I.  In every interaction, every choice, Shen shows a persistent focus on external information.  He acts as if his entire success or failure depends on external opinions.  He’s not only more Extraverted than Introverted; he seems purely, entirely Extraverted!

This is actually how it’s supposed to work, in real life as well as in fiction.  The writers of this movie didn’t know to make their villain a pure Extravert; they just wanted an interesting villain with realistic, identifiable motivations.  In the same way, the clearer definitions of E and I show that everyone is always all one, or all the other.  In every situation, decision, thought, or action, Extraverts will look outside themselves for information first.  Every time.  And Introverts will start by looking inside their minds first, every single time.  Again, this isn’t a limit on what we can do; everyone can get good at everything, yet Extraverts naturally think in an Extraverted way, and Introverts think in an Introverted way.

If, instead, we found that people tended to come off as more of a mix, then that might suggest that our definitions needed some work.  The fact that it’s always consistent shows that we’ve gotten down to the roots of how we think, beneath all our changing behaviors and attitudes.  Inconsistency would suggest inaccurate definitions.

What this means, though, is that a real test of cognition should never say, “Well, you got 6 points of E and only 4 points of I, so overall you’re an E.”  That kind of mixed result shows a problem in the definitions that the test is using for its letters.  So when you run into tests that give mixed results like that—and I don’t really know of any other kind of test for these letters—then you can be pretty sure that the test is at least a little inaccurate.  Faulty definitions lead to faulty conclusions.  A thorough, cohesive definition of the letters will yield thoroughly consistent answers.  Even behavioralism can be made to meet this standard, once it derives robust, dependable definitions of behaviors.

Anyway, Shen here certainly seems to be coming out as a pure cognitive Extravert, which helps us better understand all his behaviors and attitudes.

Phil: Okay, that’s all actually really cool, but…he’s a bad guy!

Gwen: He’s right.  Aren’t bad guys usually Introverted masterminds?

Shen certainly seems to qualify as a mastermind.  Plotting, controlling, moving each chess piece for years.  But why does mastermind have to mean Introvert?  Why does someone have to look inside their own mind for information, in order to cunningly craft a devious strategy?  Here we come to limitations again.  Stereotype might tell us that villains must be Introverts because only Introverts can create a competent villainous scheme, but that’s just insulting to Extraverts.

One of the reasons we chose Shen for this first spotlight was because his four-letter type goes against all kinds of stereotypes!  And here’s one stereotype we can defy right away: he’s an Extraverted mastermind, constantly looking outside himself as he proceeds with his master plan.  This makes Shen “POP” as a villain, breaking away from the clichés we’ve grown used to.  Not that Introverted villains can’t be made to POP in their own ways, but Shen’s Extraversion is quite engaging.

Okay, so we’re good?  Lord Shen is an Extravert?

Gwen: It appears so.

Phil: Booyah!  Rack up one point for Phil, I was right!

Well your answer was right, but that doesn’t mean you understood why, Phil.  Since each of you chose one of the two letters, one of you was gonna get it right!

Phil: Yeah, but it was me!

Gwen: Sheer luck.

And lucky guesses aren’t science, since they don’t help us make predictions.  They don’t really help us understand anything.  But now that we’ve gotten down to the comprehensive definition at the core of Extraversion, you can understand the reasons behind it without having to rely on guesswork.  And that’s much nicer, yeah?

Phil: Yeah, it makes a ton more sense, actually.  It’s not what I’m used to, like, at all.  But you’re right, it makes it so I don’t have to just kinda guess and hope for the best.

Gwen: Much more concrete.  Even if you made us start out with unreliable definitions.

Yeah…  You’ve both been great sports.  And as for what you’re used to, remember that this definition is the root of all the actual symptoms of Extraversion, while losing the stereotypes that were never really symptoms of anything.  By these definitions both E and I are fundamentally equal, because everyone does both, just in opposite order.  No more can we say that one is less healthy, less thoughtful, less friendly, or less intelligent than the other.  Anyone of any type can and should be free to be whatever they choose.  Each different way of approaching life is equally valid and effective.

Phil: Phil 1, Gwen 0.

Alright, we gotta move on!  Next we’ll see whether Shen is a P or a J.

Phil: Wait!

Gwen: Aren’t S and N next?

Yeah?  Why’s that?

Phil: Because…they’re next.

Gwen: After I and E, comes S and N.

Ohhh, right.  See, here’s the thing.  That letter order is kinda arbitrary, but we’ve gotten used to it, so, yeah.  Calise and I often find it more useful to focus on first and last letters together, since they represent a type’s Scope.  If we could start over fresh (tempting, but far too confusing), we might write it as IJ-NT, instead of INTJ.  That’s actually how we sometimes say it in private, in fact.  IJ-NT gets across that the first pair is the Scope, the primary focus of the type which determines its first cognition step, while the second pair is the Objective, the secondary focus that gets applied to the Scope.

We still say INTJ because, hey, we don’t want to be confusing.  And Calise kinda likes the sense of “balance” that comes from having the Scope letters on the outside, like bookends.  She says it feels like a castle, with little towers on the outside.  But either way, when we’re walking through how cognition works we can go in any order we like, and focusing on Scope (first and last letters) followed by Objective (middle letters) tends to be far more informative.

We did have one reader once who seemed to think Calise was saying that the cognition steps go I-N-T-J, in that order.  And there’s nothing wrong with being a little confused, but when someone comes on a website to declare that it’s wrong, they’d probably be well advised to actually consider the content.  Even a brief glance at the pictures, without even bothering to read, should have shown that the order of cognition steps has nothing at all to do with the arbitrary order of the letters; that’s not even how cognition steps work.  But when people seem uncomfortable about any topic, it can be amazing how much reading comprehension turns off.

Phil: Word.

Right!  So, we’re okay hitting J and P next?  See what our boy Shen’s Scope turns out to be?

Gwen: Sounds good.

Phil: Yeah, because he’s gonna be a P.  I am on fire!

Don’t burn yourself just yet.  Let’s let Gwen go first this time.  Gwen?

Gwen: Lord Shen is a J, because…you really want me to do this?

I promised you candy!  All you have to do is use the usual, simplified definitions, and see how well you can manage to type.

Gwen: Candy, right.  In that case, Lord Shen is a J, because he gets things done.  He makes plans and he sees them through.  His whole life is about plans.  He knows what he wants, and he does whatever it takes to get it.  Everything has to be perfect, everything has to be just the way he pictured it.  And he’s very judgmental about everyone around him.  Therefore, he must be a Judger.


Phil:  Pfft, yeah right.

Your turn, Phil.

Phil: Shen is totally a P, because he’s funny!  He seems like he’d be a lot of fun to be around, if only he wasn’t evil.  And he’s a P because all his plans keep going wrong!  They keep blowing up in his face, and every time he tries to change fate he just blunders into it over and over.  Sure he’s got style, but he clearly has no idea what he’s doing.  Totally a Perceiver.

Ouch.  Good job you two, but gosh, where do we even start?  Gwen, you implied that—

Gwen: That only Judgers can get things done, only Judgers plan and see it through and get what they want.

Yes.  And also that “Judger” means judgmental of others.  I know, you’d think that the word Judger would mean judgmental, but that’s the difficulty with choosing words to adequately represent what’s already going on in the human mind; almost any word might have inaccurate implications.

And Phil?  What did you imply?

Phil: I’m on it.  My definition made it sound like only Ps are fun, and that our plans always have to go wrong.  That we’re pretty incompetent at planning, really, and just wander around clueless.

Gwen: Well, don’t you?

Phil: Now listen, you!  We…yeah, we do, sometimes.

Yes, you do.  Sometimes.  But then so do Js, sometimes.  Believe me, I’m a J.  As always, any healthy person of any type can have every healthy habit and attitude, and anyone of any type can have any weakness.  Perceivers can plan effectively, and Judgers can be fun and spontaneous.  And both can blunder around ruining their own plans, and both can be overly judgmental.

As with Extravert and Introvert, this suggests a problem with our definitions.  If anyone can be either, then there’s room for subjective fudging, which means our definitions don’t adequately reflect reality.

Deciphering the root definition of J and P is actually not too hard; we mainly just have to cut past all the belittling stereotypes.  Once we do, we end up with this clear, binary definition: that Js prefer to take action first and consider options second, while Ps prefer to consider options first and take action second.  There are times for both, and either can result in every ability and aptitude; they’ll just do it in different ways.

 

Now, like with E and I, we consider how Shen would be if he were a J, and then we consider how he would be if he were a P.  And then we see which matches up!  So you two, what would Shen be like if he were a Perceiver?  If he naturally preferred to consider options first, then take action after.

Gwen: You take this one.

Phil: Alright, starting where Shen meets Po…  Hm, I think I see where this is going, because if Shen were a P, he’d probably act differently from how he does in the movie.

How so?

Phil: If he were a P, he wouldn’t be so stilted and pre-scripted.  He’d roll with things better, and wouldn’t be so surprised when Po throws him curveballs.

Of course a healthy J can learn to adapt and roll with things.

Phil: Yeah, but I think if Shen were a P, he’d probably bounce off of Po’s surprises pretty naturally.  And if he was clinging to a script—because hey, sometimes even I like having a plan—I think a P Shen would be so focused on following his script that he wouldn’t even notice Po messing it up.  I mean, that’s how I get when I’m trying to follow a plan to the letter, I kinda get oblivious, because scripted isn’t normally how I roll, so I have to cling hard to the plan or just let it go.

Very observant!  Of course, a healthy P could learn to be less clingy to their plans, but you’re right, it would be harder.  Now Gwen, same situation, where Shen first meets Po.  What would a J Shen be like?

Gwen: As a J, Shen would always have *some* kind of plan, even if it’s a really adaptive one.  And when Po messed up the plan, Shen would be surprised and maybe a little hesitant, trying to figure out what to do.  But he wouldn’t be oblivious to Po messing up his perfect script, because he’s used to having plans, so he wouldn’t be clinging as hard to it as, well, Phil would.

Phil: Yeah, we know it’s true.

Alright, so how does Shen in the movie compare?  Is he all P, all J, or a mix?

Gwen: He appears to be entirely J.  At no point does he even come close to observing first; he’s always acting first and then observing after.

Phil: Yeah, she’s right.

Sounds good!  Now, if our definitions are consistent, then this evaluation should remain true for everything Shen does and says throughout the whole movie.  This is because well-written characters are consistent yet complex, the way real people are.  If we just look at one scene in isolation, we might get in danger of cherry-picking scenes that seem to support the answer we want.

But instead of walking through every single scene in the movie, I’m going to click on a random place in the movie and see what comes up…


Okay, that’s Po eating noodles.  Let’s find a better scene.

Here we go!  Po confronting Shen inside Shen’s factory, after Po has found out that Shen killed Po’s parents.  Shen has no script this time; he hasn’t been able to rehearse this encounter.  And yet every time he taunts Po, it’s all very deliberate, first speaking and then seeing how Po handles it.  A Perceiver Shen, by contrast, would be distinctly more fluid in his taunts, constantly observing Po and poking him in just the right places, rather than firing off a carefully calculated jibe and then waiting to see how Po responds.  A Perceiver Shen would be constantly reacting to Po, just as Po is always reacting to everything.  Observing first, then acting.

Certainly, a Judger could learn to be fluid in the moment, and a Perceiver could learn to be deliberate and proactive, yet they’ll still naturally prioritize the one their mind cares about most: action or observation.  Here Shen consistently prioritizes action first, both in taunting Po and in fighting him.  He acts first, and only afterward observes the results.

The same ends up holding true throughout the whole movie.  In every scene, Shen consistently acts first before observing and considering results or alternative actions.  Every single time.  Just as he’s purely Extraverted, he’s also purely a Judger.  That’s the way solid definitions are supposed to work.

So now we have two of the four letters!  And these are perhaps the two most important letters, displaying a person’s Scope, the primary form of information they focus on most.  Shen is an Extraverted Judger, an EJ.

And now that we have two letters, we can see what their combined effect is.  By exploring the way letter combinations work, we can verify whether the individual letters we’ve arrived at are correct.  If our definitions are accurate and consistent, then Shen, as an EJ, should display all the characteristics we expect from EJs in general.

There are four EJ types: ENFJ, ENTJ, ESFJ, and ESTJ.  What do these four types have in common, unique among all the other types?  Of the four types of information—Principles, Motives, Action, and Data—EJs focus first and foremost on Action.  For all four EJs, Action is their first cognitive step.  And no other type besides the EJs starts with Action.  This is because Action is what matters most to EJs, deep down.  Going forward and just doing what needs to be done.  As Judgers who look outward at the world for information, EJs are constantly concerned with how their own actions can affect the lives of themselves and others.

Also, all the EJs have the same weakest area, the same last cognitive step, which their mind naturally cares about least, and so focuses on the least.  This is Data, the ability to notice details in situations, and draw correct conclusions from those details.  Of all the types, EJs are naturally weakest in noticing details and drawing correct conclusions.  They may simply fail to pick up on details, or they may make dangerously oversimplified and inaccurate conclusions from the details they see.

So, if we’re right that Shen is an E and a J, then he should also be an EJ, focusing first on Action and last on Data.  Is this what Shen does?

Gwen: Well the guy is all about Action, isn’t he?  To a fault.  He’s a Judger, sure, but more than that, he’s always about going forward and doing things right away.  I’m a Judger too, but as an IJ I’m more about making things work in general, while Shen is all about charging forward and doing things immediately.

Phil: Two words: “Keep firing!!”  I mean, come on, the panda is hurling your shots back into your fleet, destroying all your ships!  If you stop firing, the panda’s got nothing.  Just stop firing, you dolt!  But no, Shen has to keep *acting,* he can’t just stop and evaluate.  If you’re doing something that’s literally blowing up in your face, then by all means, keep doing it harder, right Shen?  /facepalm

 

Gwen: Also, his whole motivation seems to be based on faulty conclusions.  He’s convinced his parents hated him, because they banished him.  He missed all the details that would be obvious to most people, like the reasons why his parents banished him…like genocide, for instance.  His parents wanted to prevent him from destroying his life.  They failed, but they still loved him.

Phil: And all the time, Shen keeps jumping to conclusions overeagerly.  First he’s sure he killed all the pandas.  Apparently a whole ton of them got away; talk about missing out on your details, Shen!  Then he draws the rash conclusion that no one can stop him, because he missed the little detail that there are still pandas.  Then when he finds out about Po, he jumps to the conclusion that the panda must be some fearsome nemesis.  And then he keeps thinking Po is dead, over and over.  And so on.  He keeps jumping to conclusions with the soothsayer, and he actually thinks that if he takes enough decisive Action then he can cancel out her unpleasant Data.  He tells her, “Then I will kill him, and make you wrong.”  Okay, the future-seer has said your only way out is to stop being evil.  So you think being more evil is gonna change that Data?  Wow, bro.  He’s so busy doing Action that he can’t slow down and learn anything whatsoever.

Wow, nice guys.  Remember, though, that Shen is an unhealthy EJ.  Any healthy EJ can get good at understanding Data and conclusions; it’ll still be hard for them because it’s what their mind focuses on least, but they can learn to get good at it.  And while unhealthy EJs like Shen may blow up their own lives due to their rash Action, healthier EJs learn to be decisive and powerful without hurting themselves or others.

So then, Shen does seem to be an Extravert, a Judger, and also an Extraverted Judger, showing the typical qualities of EJs.  We won’t take time to walk through how different Shen would be if he were an EP, an IP, or an IJ!  But it’s still a cool mental exercise.

Now, for the middle letters!  We’re getting close, we know Shen is one of four types: ENFJ, ENTJ, ESFJ, or ESTJ.  Now, guys, let’s go back to S and N.  You ready?

Phil: I was born ready.

Gwen: Shen’s an S.

Phil: Hey no fair, I wasn’t ready!  Okay, Shen is totally an N.  How could you possibly think he’s an S?

Gwen: Are you kidding?  When he first comes back, did you see the way he took out all the city guards in one swipe?  And then he takes on three kung fu masters, by himself!

Phil: Ah, you’re using the “Sensors are more athletic” definition, huh?

Gwen: Justin’s giving me candy.  So yes.  Also, I’m using the “Sensors are more practical” stereotype, and Shen is clearly practical!  He has no time for anyone’s ideals.  His whole premise is the practicality of guns over the age-old ideals of martial arts.  He may be a little too practical and concrete, even.  So yes, Sensor.

Phil: Alright, I’ll see your stereotype, and raise you an “iNtuitives are smart” stereotype of my own.

Gwen: Oh gosh, here we go.

Phil: You’re right, Shen is all about guns.  Because he invented them!  Sensors can’t invent things; they’re mostly assistants, grunts, and mechanics.

Gwen: Did you seriously just say—?

Phil: I get candy for being a jerk too, so bear with me here.  Shen has to be an iNtuitive, because he’s always thinking in the abstract.  That’s how he came up with guns when everyone else was looking at the fireworks right in front of them.  That’s how he sees his plans through.  Sensors don’t do that.

Gwen: I am going to throw my candy at your head.

Phil: I’m still right.

Alright!  This is how it starts, all the anger and bitterness.  This is how all the spite on the internet gets started, because simplistic definitions can quickly become insulting.  Any healthy person can be both inventive and practical, both athletic and abstract.  Therefore, if any healthy person can do both, then we don’t have solid, binary definitions here.  We need to find out what’s really at the root of S and N.  What causes all the real symptoms of S and N?

Cutting through the demeaning stereotypes, we eventually arrive at this fundamental definition of S and N:  Sensors focus first on actual experience, and draw conceptual understanding from those experiences.  iNtuitives do the reverse: they focus first on concepts, and then apply those concepts to help them understand their experiences.  Everyone does both, everyone understands abstract concepts and concrete experiences, but Ss focus first on experiences, while Ns focus first on concepts.  You can’t do both first; you have to choose one, and do the other second.  This makes the definition clear, clean, and binary.  There’s no wiggle room, no exceptions, and no overlap; either you’re an S or an N.  And in practice, Ns will always, consistently focus on concepts first, while Ss will always focus first on actual experience, due to the innermost desires of each.  Every time.

All the familiar symptoms and tendencies of S and N end up resulting from this core definition.  Are Sensors more concrete?  Often times, yes, because a focus on actual experience naturally results in a focus on concrete, literal things.  iNtuitives can learn to be concrete-minded too, but it’s not where they naturally focus.  Are iNtuitives more abstract?  Often, sure, because a focus on concepts results in a more abstract mindset.  But Sensors can learn to be abstract too; it’s just not where they naturally focus.  Everyone can do both.

So the fact that Shen invented firearms tells us nothing at all, because both Ns and Ss could do that.  We can find times when he thinks in the abstract, and other times when he thinks more concretely, because everyone does both; we just focus a little more on the one we’re most used to.  His martial arts prowess does not make him an S; it’s not about what he can do, it’s about how he approaches doing it.  Everyone can do everything, we just approach it in different ways.

Yet once we get down to the actual, clear definitions of S and N, what will Shen turn out to be?  Remember, if our definitions are effective and accurate, then Shen should be purely S or purely N, with no overlap or exceptions.  So, does he focus first on experiences, and derive concepts from them?  Or does he focus first on concepts, and apply them to his experiences?

Gwen: Experiences, all the way.

Phil: Yeah…she’s right.

Gwen: Gwen 2, Phil 1.

Phil: I’m ignoring that.  Because yeah, everything about Shen revolves around his experiences.  He got burned in the past, so now he’s out to burn the world.  He views all his conceptual beliefs through the lens of his experiences, not the other way around.  Even when he wants to know the future, he wants to know what events and experiences are going to happen, instead of wanting to know what concepts are worth fighting for.

 

Speaking of the future, though, what about this?  Shen comments, “The dead exist in the past, and I must turn to the future.”  Isn’t that an N thing to say?  Isn’t that a focus on the future, while Ss think more about the past and present?

Gwen: What, are you saying I’m incapable of thinking about the future?

Well, are you?

Gwen: No!  Sure, I do think of the past and present more often.  That just makes sense, because the past and present have really happened!  But that doesn’t mean I can’t think of the future, it just means I think about it a little less often, that’s all.

Phil: Also, even though Shen says he’s looking to the future, it’s all an escape from the past.  He’s motivated by the past.  All his plans for a Shen-tastic future full of peacocky goodness are all motivated by the past.  He lives in the past, no matter how much he tries to hide from it.


So you’re saying it’s not unhealthy to live in the past, it’s only unhealthy to hide from it?

Gwen: It’s unhealthy to hide from what your mind wants to focus on.  When you try, you’re only fighting yourself.  Shen’s deepest desires cause him to think as a Sensor, focusing first on experiences.  If he tries to hide from that, then he’s fighting his deepest desires.

Phil: No wonder he’s cranky.

Gwen: Hiding from the past is no worse or better than hiding from the future, or the present.  It’s the denial that’s the problem.

So, even though Shen insists he looks to the future, you’re saying he’s wrong?  About his own self?

 Gwen: Absolutely.  Often we’re the worst judges of our own selves.  We usually can’t see what everyone else can.

Phil: For bad or for good.

Gwen: Yeah.  Shen would probably insist that he’s an N, because he’s desperate to escape the past.  But that’s not how his mind works, because it’s not what he wants most in his hidden heart.  The very essence of what it means to be Shen is manifested in his core desires, which result in him being a Sensor.  The more he fights that, the more he’s fighting his own better self.

I’m glad I don’t have to send him a personalized typing.  I would not want to hear his outrage.

Phil: No surprise here, that a guy who lives too much in the past, denies that he does.  Never seen that in real life…

So that’s good for S and N, right?  We could go on exploring the movie, but once again, in every situation, every choice, and every interaction, Shen draws conceptual understanding from his experiences.  Experience comes first, and concepts come from them.

That’s three of his four letters!  Lord Shen is a pure ESJ, with no deviation or exceptions.  This places no limits on what he can do or choose; it only shows the way he does and chooses everything.

So what’s he going to be?  The ESTJ Cannon, or the ESFJ Cavalry?

Phil: Okay, candy or not, why do I have to do F?  Is there really any doubt at this point?  The guy’s a monster!  He’s totally a T!

Gwen: Excuse me?

Phil: And come on, ESTJ is the Cannon.  The Cannon!  Could anything be more appropriate for Lord Shen, the guy who uses cannons as his own personal Death Star?  I mean, come on, it’s not like he’s going to be an ESFJ.

Yeah?  Why’s that?

Phil: Well…no offense to ESFJs, but they’re really lame.

Oh, why would they be offended to hear that?

Phil: It’s true, though.  They’re a bunch of nannies and superficial party girls.

Gwen: If you kill him, do I get his candy?

Maybe.  But before we go and define F and T, let’s be careful about four-letter stereotypes again.  Remember, don’t just shout out four-letter combos due to the oversimplified, inaccurate caricatures you may have heard about them.  You might be surprised, Phil, at how many monolithic titans of history have been ESFJs.

But is Shen among them?  Or is he an ESTJ?

Gwen: Phil’s reasoning may be weak, but his answer is still correct; Shen is a T.

Phil: And I guess I’m obligated to say he’s an F.  Gwen 3, Phil 1.  Poop.

Alright, Gwen, why is Shen a T?

Gwen: Well, going by stereotype, because he is a heartless, murderous monster.  He hears that pandas will get in his way, so he goes out and slaughters them all.  He doesn’t care about the pretty fireworks, he only sees the potential for a weapon.  Any time anything gets in his way, he removes it.  He doesn’t *care* about anything or anyone.  He is hard, cold, and cruel.  This makes him an unhealthy T, but a T all the same.

 And Phil?  Why do you say he’s an F?

Phil: Actually, now that I think about it, he really could be an F.  Stereotypically speaking, I mean.  He’s whiny, he can’t get over how his parents hurt him, and his whole life is pretty much one big tantrum.  He’s a diva.  He’s obsessed with how everyone sees him, always needing everything to be perfect.  Personally I still know he’s going to be a T, but I can totally picture someone using simplified definitions and thinking he’s an F.  Because yeah, he really is a diva.

Okay guys, now what did your stereotypes imply?

Phil: Me first, please?  I gotta wash out my mouth.

Gwen: Be my guest.

Phil: I just said that Shen is an F because he’s whiny and petty.  I mean, seriously?  That’s how we’re defining half of all the types?  I’ve seen so many characters typed as F simply because they’re emotional.  That implies that Fs are overemotional idiots (thanks, by the way), while Ts are emotionless machines.

Gwen: And I implied pretty much the same.  That all Ts are emotionless monsters.  Yeah, that makes me feel really good.  The stereotypes say that Ts don’t care about anyone or anything, that we’re cold and logical and somewhat inhuman.  Personally, I do keep my emotions inside a bit more, but that’s not because I’m a T, is it?

There are lots of cognitive reasons behind every behavioral tendency, usually resulting from a combination of letters.  Both ISJs and ITJs tend to guard their tender hearts a little more cautiously, so as an ISTJ you get the tendencies of both!  But ISFJs are often just as guarded as INTJs, while some kinds of Ts are downright effusive with their emotions!  The combinations of the letters result in such cool patterns, without falling victim to oversimplifications and limitations.

Now before we apply the root definitions of F and T, I just want to point out that you two just typed Lord Shen as being all sixteen of the types.

Phil: We did?  Is that good?

Phil you said E, while Gwen said I.  Phil said P, while Gwen said J.  And you both gave very believable arguments for each, constrained by the stereotypical, simplified definitions of the letters that we see all over the place.  Not good arguments, not scientific arguments; they were entirely subjective, yet entirely believable as the kind of reasoning we find in personality typing.  Phil said N and F, while Gwen said S and T, and again, you gave reasoning that I could certainly imagine finding online.  In fact, neither of you two ever said anything that I haven’t actually seen online!  All your simplified arguments were actual reasons we’ve seen over and over.

So, according to you guys, and therefore according to popular, simplistic versions of personality typing, Shen could be any type.  Any at all.  This is the problem with subjectivity.  Remember, I said that we’ve seen Darth Vader typed as pretty much every type?  This is why.  Subjective cherry-picking and caricatures eliminate all sense of consistency, repeatability, or predictive value.  This is why some people call psychology a pseudoscience, because when people approach it with subjective, shaky definitions, it’s just not science.  I’ve heard personality typing referred to as “horoscopes for people who think they’re too smart for horoscopes,” and I wish that were wrong.

But getting back to the root of things, working out what goes on underneath all the symptoms and simplifications, it’s amazing how quickly the subjectivity melts away, leaving us with a clean and consistently predictive science.  We’ve already worked out, by the root definitions, that Lord Shen is simply not an Introvert, a Perceiver, or an iNtuitive.  In contrast to the internet typing Vader as all the types, there’s no room for subjectivity once things are well defined; Shen is purely ESJ.  So if we get to the root of F and T, then it should become absolutely clear which one Shen is.

And that root ends up being about use versus meaning.  Every healthy person cares about both, but which does our mind naturally want to focus on first?  Do we care first about the use of things, the benefits that come from them?  Or do we care first about the intrinsic meaning and significance of things, apart from any immediate usefulness?  Thinkers find meaning in usefulness, while Feelers find usefulness in meaning.  Everyone does both, but we have to do one first.

So healthy Thinkers will care intensely for things, but always as a result of how beneficially useful things are.  Likewise, healthy Feelers will be rational and composed, but always with an eye toward the intrinsic meaning of things.  Unhealthy Thinkers and Feelers both have an *equal* tendency to be uncaring and cold, or overemotional and irrational, or sometimes both at the same time.

So what about Shen?  Does he focus first on the use of things, and then on meaning?  Or the other way around?  Let’s check by considering what he’d be like as a T, and what he’d be like as an F.

Gwen: If Shen were a T, then he would view his banishment as ruining his life because of all the opportunities it took from him.  When he says his parents “robbed me,” it would be in the sense of taking from him everything he could have accomplished if he had been allowed to stay as their heir.  He would view Po as an obstacle that prevented him from attaining his useful, beneficial goals.  Beneficial to Shen, I mean.  Everything Shen did would be about clearing the way to accomplish useful goals, rather than trying to prove something about meaning.  A Thinker Shen would care about meaning too, but only as a result of use.

Phil: Hm, not bad.  If Shen were an F, he would still view his banishment as ruining his life, but for different reasons.  It wouldn’t be because of lost opportunities, it would be because his own meaning was impugned.  It would be more about the insult than the inconvenience.  When he says his parents robbed him, it would be in the sense of taking from him his dignity, his rightful place in the world, and all the adulation he thinks he deserves.  And as for Po, he’d view him as an obstacle that prevented him from reaching that rightful place of dignity and praise.  Everything Shen did would be about proving his own meaning and significance, especially by fixing all the hurts he’d suffered.  A Feeler Shen would of course care about the use of things, but only as a means toward reaching his meaningful ends.

Nice!  So, which one matches the Lord Shen we see in the movie?

Gwen: Not T, actually.  Congratulations Phil.

Phil: Wait, you’re serious?

Gwen: Look at how Shen does things!  Everything is all about his own personal meaning.  He wants to rule China so that everyone can see that he deserves it, so everyone can see how meaningful he is.  He has no plan at all for what he wants to do *with* China once he rules it!  He just wants everyone to see his preeminent significance.  Every time he talks about how his parents banished him, it’s like he doesn’t even consider how much they took opportunities from him.  It never even comes up.  It’s always about how they supposedly hated him, and he projects that fear onto Po, telling Po that his parents didn’t love him either.  He’s managed to build a cannon-powered army even while banished, but never seems to pause and say, “I could have done so much more had I not been banished.”  Never even a hint of that.

Phil: Woah, yeah.  He’s always about the meaning he’s lost.  Like, every time.

Gwen: I still think a Thinker Shen could have been cool, but that’s not the Lord Shen we see in the movie.

Phil: Hey, the Feeler Shen is really smooth and stylish!  All his focus on meaning makes him kinda compelling.  All his goals, fears, and methods are all about the gain or loss of meaning, and that makes the idea of his triumph very…meaningful.  In a scary way.

Woo!  So now we’ve typed him!  We typed a guy!  Lord Shen is (drumroll please, guys)…

 

ESFJ!  A very intriguing example of Dark Cavalry!

Phil: It’s still hard to believe.  Shen is too cool to be ESFJ!

Gwen: I slap you.

Phil: Hey, we tied!  Phil 2, Gwen 2!

Yeah, what are the odds?  And Phil, that’s one of the reasons we chose Shen for this tutorial, because ESFJs get misrepresented and oversimplified all the time.  Pretty much every type does, actually.  But ESFJs are stereotyped as…how did you say it?

Gwen: Nannies and superficial party girls, wasn’t it, Phil?

Phil: Maybe…

Now I’m hesitant to mention real historical ESFJs here, because Calise and I have gotten tired of people strutting in and declaring, “Nope, that’s wrong,” without reading any of the content.  We hoped the three dictionary posts would help, and they really have, but not everyone reads carefully before commenting on things.  But now after this tutorial, I hope it’s safe to mention a few real-life Cavalries here!  There are tons of powerful ESFJs in history, including several American Presidents: James Monroe, James Buchanan, George H.W. Bush, Franklin D. Roosevelt, and John F. Kennedy, all ESFJs, Phil.

Phil: That cannot be right.

Well according to stereotypes, it wouldn’t be!  But using the actual root definitions that reflect how cognition naturally works, it ends up being a remarkable insight into how these people lived, thought, and came to decisions.  It shows the complexity of people, rather than limiting them into superficial boxes.

Other prominent ESFJs include Catherine the Great of Russia, Simon Bolivar of Venezuela, Prince Charles of Wales and the current German Chancellor, Angela Merkel.  Also Arnold Schwarzenegger, Oprah Winfrey, and even the current Pope, Francis.  And the list really goes on.

Phil: Wow, okay.  So then, if all those people are seriously ESFJ, uh, what on earth does ESFJ really mean?

I’m so glad you asked!  Hang on, let me swing over to the COG for the ESFJ Cavalry, and grab a few quotes:

“ESFJs are often portrayed as superficially social, needy, bossy, rule-obsessed and self-absorbed, so you may have been tempted to think you couldn’t possibly be ESFJ.  Well good, because those sorts of oversimplifications are simply untrue.  They’re stereotypes that have nothing at all to do with cognition, coming from shaky definitions of the letters that end up contradicting themselves and falling apart under the rigors of experience.  Human thought is far more complex than that!

“…What matters most to you [ESFJs], deep down, is taking action to create experiences that will bring true happiness, comfort, and peace to those you care about.”

Reading about the presidencies of Roosevelt and Kennedy, it’s neat to see how all their decisive actions were in pursuit of bringing joy (as they knew it) to themselves, their country, and especially to the people they were close to.  I was recently reading a conversation between ESFJ Franklin Roosevelt and INFJ Adolf Hitler, and it was so fascinating seeing how each of them demonstrated their respective deepest desires, natural strengths, and hidden fears.

But how does this apply to Lord Shen?

Gwen: Well for starters, he seems like an interesting inversion of a healthy ESFJ.  He’s willing to destroy the joy and peace of everyone in pursuit of his own.

This is very true, and it’s what unhealthy people of any type do: they seek the destruction of their own deepest desire in the lives of others, as if that will help them attain it in their own lives.

Phil: Yeah, Shen is all about happiness, which is surprising in a villain.  I’m used to villains who roll their eyes at the idea of happiness at all, but Shen doesn’t.  But he believes that to get his own joy, he has to stomp on everyone else’s.  “Happiness must be taken,” he says, “and I will take mine.”

This also brings up an interesting side of Shen as an EFJ.  All the EJs end up being very group-oriented, championing and defending the needs of those on their team.  But for EFJs in particular, it’s all about the meaning of their group.  And that is what Shen feels ultimately robbed of.  His group.  His family.  His inheritance and home.  “My parents hated me.  Do you understand?  They robbed me.  And I will make it right.”  He’s all about taking action (EJ) to fix past hurts of his own meaning (SF), in a ruthlessly destructive way.

Does he try to reconcile his memory of his parents?  Does he seek healing, or try to learn from the experiences of others in order to understand his own?  That’s what a healthy person of any type should do, but instead, Shen goes out of his way to destroy his own deepest desire in the lives of others.  In Shen’s mind, nothing is of greater value than bringing joy and peace to your own group, so therefore, in his mind, nothing is of greater injury than destroying that joy in others’ groups.

He hurls his father’s throne out a window, then gleefully destroys his parents’ palace in an attempt to kill Po.  “You just destroyed your ancestral home, Shen!” the soothsayer reminds him, and how does Shen reply?  By burning a map of all China.  This is Dark Cavalry.

Now in Phil’s defense, ESFJs are often portrayed rather poorly in our culture.

Phil: Yeah!

When Calise made the collage for the ESFJ Cavalry Type Hero, it was hard because so many of the fictional examples of ESFJs are actually quite lame.  We’re proud of a lot of the ones we did find, and it’s unfortunate we didn’t know about Shen at the time, but still, it was hard finding compelling, heroic, mighty ESFJs in fiction.  This is not at all a reflection of real ESFJs, it’s only a reflection of how our culture tends to view them.  So don’t worry, ESFJs!  As you learn more about how you already think, you can find the heroic, decisive, unstoppable force you already have inside you, and show the world how to be truly happy and successful.

This brings up ESFJ’s Type Angst: the Leslie Knope Marathon.

 

You can read more about that in the COG, but in short, it’s a tendency toward frantic action as a result of the fear that you’re not naturally gifted.  Deep down, as a result of their deepest desire, ESFJs fear that they’re not naturally talented, and so have to work twice as hard as everyone else just to keep up.

Gwen: And so, he invents firearms.

Yes!  And he always gloats about how superior they are to martial arts.  Shen shows incredible kung fu mastery, and he’s almost always practicing, even while talking.  But he still seems to feel inferior, and so this kung fu master wants to eliminate kung fu.  Guns are his way to do that, and he will use them to show once and for all that he doesn’t need talent.

 

I expect that Shen would deny that this fear is even there, just as we all might do at times, because our Type Angst is often the part of ourselves that we least want to see.  And yet, even while denying it, his every word and action would probably demonstrate his fear.  He never moves a muscle that isn’t motivated by his Type Angst.  Yet as we each come to understand our own deepest fears, then and only then can we grow entirely free of them.  If only Shen had done that from the beginning, he might never have gone wrong in the first place.

Shen’s obsession with his own meaning is brought into sharp focus by contrasting it with his opposite letters, as demonstrated in The Incredibles’ INTP Syndrome.

 

Like Shen, Syndrome wants to be seen and praised, but for entirely opposite motives.  Shen wants to be praised for his own meaning, while Syndrome wants to be praised for his ability, his usefulness.  He too is insecure about his own natural ability, but not in terms of skills; it’s the idea of natural superpowers that bothers him.  They’re too big and too meaningful, showing that there are sides of the wide world that he doesn’t understand.  While Shen resents the acquired, earned skill in others’ kung fu, Syndrome resents the inborn, unearned powers in supers.  Shen resents the usefulness in earned skill, while Syndrome resents the meaning in being intrinsically “special.”

Both Syndrome and Shen turn to machines to heal their insecurities.  Syndrome casually invents machines to give him manmade powers, while Shen invents a machine to help him beat kung fu.  Yet each focuses on opposite sides of their own accomplishments.  For Syndrome, it’s all about ability.  Usefulness.  In a sense, it’s his way of saying, “See what I invented?  That makes me more super than you.  I take your usefulness away, and that makes you meaningless!”  It’s from this more-useful-than-you attitude that Syndrome draws his meaning.  As with all Thinkers, it’s usefulness first, with meaning derived from it.

 

By contrast, for Shen, it’s all about meaning.  Shen never once brags, “Hey, look!  I invented firearms!”  Never once.  He’s not focused on ability or usefulness; the whole point of his weapon is to make others meaningless.  It’s his way of saying, “You think you have meaning?  You think you have joy?  You think you’ve earned it?  With this weapon, I take your precious meaning away, and that makes you useless!”  And from this more-meaningful-than-you attitude, Shen draws his sense of usefulness.  As with all Feelers, it’s meaning first, with usefulness derived from it.

 

We could go on talking about other letter combinations and how they apply to Shen, but the point is that there’s always more to explore!  There’s always so much to see about how each type thinks, how they live and what matters most to them.

For a quick example, all EFs look outside themselves to understand meaning.  This has the result of causing them to want others outside of them to see and validate their meaning.  Whether it’s for their own self or for their group, they want everyone to know that they’re meaningful!  This does not have to be bad or competitive at all.  As an ENFP, Po is an EF like Shen, and Po wants his meaning to be seen too, but only in a way that builds up others.  For Po, showing his own meaning is a way of showing that anyone can be meaningful.  If he doesn’t show it, then how will anyone ever get encouraged by it?

But for Shen, he wants to destroy others’ meaning in order to build up his own.  And he needs that to be seen.  Even when he has his enemies captive, he needs to wait until everyone’s watching before he can kill them.  “Such sad, sad faces.  But now is a time only for joy!  You are going to be part of something beautiful.  Once we reach the harbor, in front of all the world, you and your precious kung fu will die.  And China will know to bow before me.”  Yes, it’s the classic villain handicap of keeping the heroes alive, but in a distinctly EF way.

SF is of course an interesting combination, because as middle letters, it represents a person’s Objective.  Sensing Feelers are all about the meaning of actual experiences.  This causes them to focus on bringing about real joy and peace, and protecting it wherever they can.  That’s the Objective of all the SFs.  When combined with the outer letters of Scope, this takes on different effects:  For ISFJs, it’s about creating and protecting happiness on a world scale.  For ESFPs, it’s about the happiness of individuals as they already are.  For ISFPs it’s about the joy of situations and details, and then for ESFJs like Shen, it’s all about the joys that can be attained through Action, for the benefit of their group.

When turned dark, though, this joyful Objective gets nasty.  It’s not enough for Shen to kill Po; he wants to scar him, to break him.  And as a result, Shen is the one who ends up broken.

As he’s lying in the shambles of his fleet, he looks up at Po and demands, “How did you do it?  …How did you find peace?  I took away your parents!  Everything!  I scarred you for life!”  This is the dark inversion of the group-oriented joy of ESFJ.  In Shen’s mind, nothing could be worse than taking away someone’s family and home.  “I took away your parents” means “I took away your joyful group.”  To Shen, this truly is everything.  That should be sweet, but Shen makes it violent and bitter.

It’s not that this doesn’t hurt Po.  It has indeed scarred him, and Po has spent the entirety of the film working through that.  But because Po is healthy, he is able to fulfill his ENFP Type Specialization of finding who he is, and everything he can be.  His healthy Type Spec overcomes Shen’s unhealthy inversion of his own.

This also brings up a really interesting cognitive twist in the movie.  The whole story is about Po finding who he really is.  He’s a panda raised by a sweet old goose as his adoptive father…and yet he’s never really put it together that he’s adopted.  By the goose.

Po’s father, Mister Ping, really shines for the short time he’s in this movie.  While in the first film he represented in part Po’s self-doubt and humble beginnings, in this one he embodies love, belonging, and the importance of having a place in the world.  He’s the paradox in Po’s search for who he is: he’s the most loving person in Po’s life, and yet he’s a living demonstration that Po has no roots.  Po wants to know his origins in order to know who he is, while his father is afraid that he doesn’t deserve to keep Po.

The interesting twist is that Mister Ping is ESFJ, a very healthy one after his experiences in the first movie.  He’s entirely centered around bringing joy to people close to him, including his customers, but especially Po.  So in this movie all about Po figuring out who he is and learning about his origins and his parents, who’s the villain?  An ESFJ.  The dark version of everything Po knows as loving, safe, and reliable.  The dark side of his search for himself.  This is just really cool.

 

While Po’s father reminds him that he has a place, that he’s his son, Shen taunts Po that he’s nothing and was abandoned by unloving parents.  While Mister Ping spends the whole movie worried sick about losing Po, Shen spends the whole movie worried about how to get rid of him.  Shen isn’t just hate, and he’s certainly not apathy; he’s the motivated, relentless inversion of love itself.

Of course that wasn’t intentional on the part of the writers, but perhaps they did intend to have Mister Ping and Lord Shen represent opposite poles that pull on Po.  Or maybe they were just observant of what sort of villain Po needed, without being conscious of why.  In any case, it’s always neat to see how the interplay of characters’ cognition brings out themes and observations about how real life works for all of us.

And Po shows all of us how to come through our scars safely.  He tries running, he tries ignoring, he tries denying, but only by looking at the pain fully, for the first time in his life, does he find who he really is.  As he says to a beaten Shen, “You gotta let go of that stuff from the past, because it just doesn’t matter!  The only thing that matters is what you choose to be now.”  Now there’s a true ENFP theme, if ever there was one.

Shen needs Po’s ENFP insights, just as Po needs his father’s ESFJ perspective.  This is the premise of the Type Heroes: we all need each other.  Po needs Tigress’s advice, and she needs his encouragement.  The beaten masters Ox and Croc need Po’s inspiration, just their tales always inspired him.  This is the way healthy types work together, each needing all the others, each benefitting from the unique strengths and perspective of all the others.

Unhealthy people resent other types, just as Shen resents and belittles everyone.  This is why we want to work so hard to show the reliable, scientific power of cognitive typing, because it builds everyone up.  I think it says a lot that in order to tear others down, we have to resort to simplifications and stereotypes.  When we let reality speak for itself, it ends up showing all of us how fantastic we already are, and how heroic and effective we can become.  We don’t have to try to force cognition to be a positive thing; all it takes is getting to the reliable root, and then reality shows the rest.

I’d like to thank Gwen and Phil for sticking with us through this typing tutorial!

And now that we’ve walked through how typing works, and how it doesn’t, we’re going to stick our necks out and type all the major characters in both Kung Fu Panda movies!  And if, inevitably, these pictures invite people to come and declare “Wrong!  Shen is an INTJ villain!” then at least we can all be pretty sure they didn’t read the post.

Phil: Ten bucks says that happens.

Gwen: Twenty.

Thanks again for reading!  Now it should be easier to do character spotlights without having to worry about dispelling stereotypes every time!  With Phase 2 almost ready to launch (and when you see it, you’ll know why it took all our energy for so long!), we’re looking forward to being able to do more actual posts again!  We love you guys, and all the support and encouragement you give us!  And if you haven’t seen already, you can use Patreon to get more stuff sooner, and vote on what that stuff’s gonna be!  Stay tuned, there’s so much more to come!

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All the typings and observations in this post are based on definitions and information presented in the aLBoP Guided Tour 😀 So if any of it bugs you, please go read that before leaving me a grumpy comment… Or, you know what?  Let’s just skip the grumpy comments!  Have a nice day! <3

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INTP
The Alchemist

“Don’t pander to me, kid. One tiny crack in the hull and our blood boils in thirteen seconds. Solar flare might crop up, cook us in our seats. And wait’ll you’re sitting pretty with a case of Andorian shingles, see if you’re still so relaxed when your eyeballs are bleeding. Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence.”
Dr. Leonard “Bones” McCoy, Star Trek (2009)

The INTP Alchemist is the situational rescuer, excelling in understanding the complexity of details and the potential of data; an endless fount of possible ways to make things better. They explore specifics and engineer solutions by finding the plot holes of real life, asking the questions others would never think to ask. And though they tend to pride themselves on their accuracy and use, there lurks within an off-the-wall, childlike quirkiness and a protective love for those whose problems they diligently endeavor to solve.

From childhood, young INTPs are thrilled by possibilities. The ultimate “Idea-Guys”, INTPs get stoked by new ways to do things and new ways to use the world around them. Where their ENTP counterparts approach the whole world with the question, “What can I do with me?,” INTPs are always looking for new and exciting ways to answer the question, “What can I do with this?”

The world for an INTP is aglow with materials that can be learned and explored in their billions of uses. Often finding fascinating ideas in the realms of science fiction or inventions that can reach the height of their imagination when it comes to what possibilities could be, little INTPs can sometimes feel like the world right in front of them little resembles the excitement of the concepts their minds can offer. As others may not appreciate the exciting options a little INTP sees all around them, the INTP may pull in on themselves, preferring to enjoy their cherished ideas on their own, rather than sharing them with others who might not value their merit.

INTPs love depth of knowledge, preferring it over breadth, loving to know everything there is to know about their area of choice. Because their minds automatically prioritize knowing the specific ins-and-outs of what works in potential situations, they love to study and understand *all* there is to know about a given field, so that no imagined situation could come up that their minds couldn’t handle. To an INTP, every situation is different and they need to understand all the possible tools they might need to use, but the world is just too big to know everything about *everything*, so their minds naturally pick the fields they care about most, to learn *everything* about some things. ?

This gives the INTP three choices.

Excelling at examining the specific bullet-points of information and data that make up the world around them, INTPs struggle to see how all those bullet-points add up to make a complete picture of the world and the way it works. The universe can be a scary place to an INTP, feeling like trying to nail down zoomed-out principles always leads in their mind to either oversimplified generalities, or a chaotic world that they can never expect to do the same thing twice. This can lead INTPs to Moriarty Fear, the resentment of the world outside their specialization, fearing that they need to specialize in *all* types of information or be rendered obsolete.

This gives INTPs their first choice; to try and imply that any knowledge or expertise outside their own specialization is useless, unimportant or not really intelligence. INTPs who take this first path feel the need to enforce the cultural stereotype that the only kind of intelligence is being good with specific conceptual data and analysis of situations, so that they don’t feel secondary to those with other specializations.

But the cultural belief and expectation for INTP to be the “smartest” of the types (whether people know the letters or not) is as detrimental to INTPs as it is to all the other types. Each type is the “smartest” in its own Type Specialization and it puts undue pressure on INTPs to expect them to be smart in all areas, when really they desire to focus on the area they love and shouldn’t be expected to be strong in every type’s specialization.

And at the same time, the focus on INTPs being mentally strong, an area that our culture equates with INTP’s fav of specific data, culturally forbids them from trying, experiencing and getting good at other areas they may want to try. My INFJ and I were startled when facial typing showed us that basketball legend Michael Jordan had the facial structure of an INTP, but it was awesome to read his quotes and reexamine his approach to basketball and recognize that INTP is truly the way he cognates. He was revolutionary in the sport because, rather than having natural physical ability, he instead was constantly trying new possibilities and specializing in exploring what made basketball work. Though he was kicked off his sophomore team for being too small, and always talked about how many shots he missed, he applied concepts of what worked in basketball scenarios to revolutionize the game and become a role model for millions of people. INTPs should feel like they have permission to specialize in *anything*, not like they can only be good at certain types of specialization.

And, of course, I shouldn’t have to mention how INTP’s smart being the “only” kind of smart makes other types feel. How underappreciated the cleverness of ESTPs are, or the insightful brilliance of ENFJs. What ISFP brings to IP situations or what ENFPs see in the possibilities of people. Each type, when healthy, is the *smartest* in what it loves. The types are a team, without any one of which, the whole thing topples.

An INTP who makes this first choice will end up in constant fear of being usurped or passed, their denial of the validity of knowledge outside their expertise making them lose perspective, and constant comparison with others spreading them thin so that they can’t even excel in their own chosen area of specialization. This INTP won’t end up feeling like the smartest kid on the block, but in a constant power-struggle that makes them feel of less worth than before.

The second option for an INTP is to accept others belittling their specializations as small, impractical, or unimportant, and for the INTP to believe that maybe the things that mattered to them really weren’t as important as they thought or felt, trying not to bother others with the possibilities and options they see all around them. It’s easy for an INTP to limit their Type Specialization to the data they deal with, rather than the things they can achieve with that knowledge and understanding. The INTP that lets themselves get disparaged about their own importance can get very down on themselves, not realizing just how much they have to offer.

But when an INTP instead gives themselves permission to delve deep into their favorite area of specific information, enjoying exploring the worlds of potential available through the information they love, when they’re willing to stand up and realize how huge the universe is and enjoy the fact that there is still so much to learn, when they’re willing to stand-up for the heroism inherent in fixing things, the INTP becomes a possibility-revealing problem-solver, quick to find a way out of any dilemma, complexly understanding and drawing conclusions about situations to use each moment to its fullest for the help and benefit of everyone around them. This is the INTP Alchemist.

The conceptual version of the ISTP Weapons Specialist, the Alchemist is the expert of possible solutions. Dr. McCoy’s infamous, “D@#$ it, Jim! I’m a Doctor, not a ________!” (engineer, physicist, escalator…) sums up the way INTPs specialize, perfectly. Whether they decide to know everything about forensic anthropology, archeology, the Force, gadgeteering, con-artistry, vampires, or rocks, the Alchemist is fiction’s go-to for conceptual expertise, finding adorable, geeking-out joy in whatever area tickles their fancy. As a Perceiver, the INTP is so much more about enjoying the options than reaching the destination, and it’s almost inevitable for our Alchemists to geek out and show us the joy of information for its own sake.

Though they can hold their own as protagonists—often of idea stories as the sage scientist or librarian thrown into the action, having to use their know-how to maneuver situations with their knowledge of ancient runes or local customs—more often the Alchemist is found as part of a team, where they can bounce off of teammates. With a dry, snarky sense of humor and an often hidden childlike enthusiasm about their treasured ideas, the Alchemist doesn’t find use in fakery and is at the ready to point out flaws in situational conclusions without a lot of sugar-coating. Though this might be a trait the Alchemist themselves may regret, as an audience there is something refreshing about a character who is willing to say it like it is, even to their friends. But what they often lack in tact, the Alchemist makes up for in dedication. No matter the time or tediousness required, when an Alchemist’s team needs their solutions, no one can pull them from their self-driven mission.

By nature, Dark Alchemists are nihilist. Though many INTPs lose perspective about the meaning in the world, as is their weakest area (Principles via Fe), an INTP turns villainous when they are threatened about their struggles to understand the world’s meaning to the point that they want to destroy that meaning for others. Usually intensely scary in their ability to cleverly and adaptively break the world around them, Dark Alchemists always have a principle bone to pick with the protagonist, bent on proving that the universe really works in the dark, meaningless way they try and demonstrate. Whether they don’t want anyone to be special, want to prove that all people are animals, or want to destroy the universe itself, they’ll always be trying to prove, “That’s what people *do!*” or other oversimplified universal principles.

But INTPs need to realize that the questions that to them may seem unanswerable, of universal scale and importance, may come easily to other types whose minds prioritize the workings behind the universe, and INTPs need to remember once again that they don’t need to do it all. To prevent from feeling like the world and life are meaningless, an INTP needs a good infrastructure of friends who respect and value their strengths, while still providing differing strengths to support a healthy Alchemist.

Alchemist or Dark Alchemist, a strong INTP is sure to be brilliantly good at whatever they choose to do, with the ability to see potential openings all around them and find solutions wherever they look.

Examples:
Male: Toby Ziegler, The West Wing
Female: Dr. Jemma Simmons, Agents of Shield
Villain: The Joker, The Dark Knight

Who are the Type Heroes? Read the intro here, and stay tuned to meet them all!

Want more information on INTP, the Alchemist?  Read their Cognitive Orientation Guidebook here.

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It’s Movie Time on aLBoP! https://alittlebitofpersonality.com/its-movie-time-on-albop/ Thu, 20 Mar 2014 23:08:00 +0000 http://www.alittlebitofpersonality.com/index.php/2014/03/20/its-movie-time-on-albop/   Here’s the A Little Bit of Personality Intro video!!  (Go ahead and watch it… you know you want to!)  Both for the brand new Start Page, which will help those new lost souls find their way around aLBoP, and so that, if you’re trying to introduce aLBoP to your friends, you can help them […]

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Here’s the A Little Bit of Personality Intro video!!  (Go ahead and watch it… you know you want to!)  Both for the brand new Start Page, which will help those new lost souls find their way around aLBoP, and so that, if you’re trying to introduce aLBoP to your friends, you can help them easily understand what the crap you’re talking about! 😀  *Also* it’s going to serve as an intro to the aLBoP YouTube Channel, which is going to play a big part in the content this year on aLBoP.  Starting with…

aLBoP Live Chat Q&A!

We’ve been bombarded with so many excellent questions about personality typing in general, and about aLBoP specifically, that if I try and answer them all with specific emails and comments, I might die.  So, as much as I want to (answer all of your questions; not die) there is no way I can answer every email and comment I get.  *But* you and your questions are super important, so now you can have all of your most beautiful, probing questions answered live on video by me (Calise) and my INFJ (Justin) in our live Q&A video chat!  Personality type questions, blog questions, personal questions, whatever you want to ask!  Ask your questions live in chat and watch us answer them on the live stream 😀

Or, if you’d prefer to ask your questions in advance, just email them in to aLittleBitofPersonality(at)gmail(dot) com, with the subject line “aLBoP Q&A” (and tell us if it’s okay to mention your name or a pseudonym) and we’ll answer as many as we can in the live chat!  Can’t watch it live?  That’s okay; we’ll record it for viewing at your leisure!

 

This first live chat is Saturday, March 29th @ 8pm Eastern Daylight Time (GMT-4) and will be about

2 hrs long (we’re chatty, so that’s a definite *ish*).  Just go here to stream the video when it’s time 😀

 

Make us do ridiculous things by supporting aLBoP!

A lot of you have expressed interest in contributing to aLBoP, but don’t really need a Personalized Typing because you already feel comfortable with typing yourself.  Well, now you can donate to A Little Bit of Personality through the aLBoP Shop and receive “Thank you!” goodies for giving us your lurve!  And if you donate $25 or more, my INFJ and I will go do something goofy or embarrassing of your choice, film it and post the video on the aLBoP YouTube channel for the whole world to see!  (Nothing dangerous, illegal, expensive, mean, involving nudity, or similarly inappropriate please :P)  This can be anything from eating nasty sushi combinations (from experience banana sushi is vile!), to singing something embarrassing in public, to having my INFJ cross-dress (I’m obviously pushing for this one >:D).

We’re really excited (and maybe a little nervous, putting ourselves in your clutches) to do this, because it’ll be fun and a good way to interact more with you guys, as well as saying thank you for the love and cuddles you’ve given aLBoP 😀  Aww!!!  Thanks guys!!!

So please subscribe to the aLBoP channel, (and like the video, if you would) so that anytime we release new videos you’ll see them!  And we’d love you to tune in to the live chat so that we can answer all your aLBoP Questions and interact with you live!

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Type Heroes: ESFJ – The Cavalry https://alittlebitofpersonality.com/type-heroes-esfj-the-cavalry/ Thu, 28 Nov 2013 17:29:00 +0000 http://www.alittlebitofpersonality.com/index.php/2013/11/28/type-heroes-esfj-the-cavalry/ All the typings and observations in this post are based on definitions and information presented in the aLBoP Guided Tour 😀 So if any of it bugs you, please go read that before leaving me a grumpy comment… Or, you know what?  Let’s just skip the grumpy comments!  Have a nice day! <3 ESFJ The […]

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All the typings and observations in this post are based on definitions and information presented in the aLBoP Guided Tour 😀 So if any of it bugs you, please go read that before leaving me a grumpy comment… Or, you know what?  Let’s just skip the grumpy comments!  Have a nice day! <3

ESFJ
The Cavalry

“No one dressed by me ever looks like an idiot.”
Alice Cullen, The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn novel

The ESFJ Cavalry is the paragon of group experience, intent on ensuring that all involved have the best experience, and that they personally get to experience the group.  They shine as the bright beacon of action-example, a lighthouse of what to be and do.  Open, warm, in-the-moment and upfront, the Cavalry is a perfect blend of party and poise; an ongoing paradox of sensible bounce, colorful pragmatism, and gentle snark.  To any group they choose to share their love with, the ESFJ Cavalry brings a fantastic *pop!*

Young ESFJs, centered on their family, teachers, etc. as their “culture” and group, love to be obedient, very happy to experience life with the people they love.  Happy to do what makes others happy, an ESFJ may even look EP from the outside; bubbly and happily going-with-the-flow with those they care about.  But even young ESFJs are very aware of how their actions affect consequences in the form of what others think of them, and the pull to follow friends, fads and culture comes young for a little ESFJ.  So the ESFJ has three choices, the most commonly chosen being a combination of the first two choices (the same is true of most types), since the third choice is in opposition to the other two.

ESFJs love to be and set the example for their group.  Though that desire isn’t intrinsically a bad thing, it’s that desire to set the standard of what is the *most normal* that provides all three of their choices.

ESFJs’ first option is to focus on being the *most* normal 🙂  An ESFJ taking this first path will desire to be *more* normal than others, to the point of finding themselves of more *worth* than others.  An ESFJ who gets more intent on having the crowd follow them, than on the people in the crowd, can end up self-centered and entitled, and yet constantly in need of the approval of others.  In the end, people following the lead of this first-path ESFJ will be short-lived, either because they’ll end up disliking the ESFJs’ self-centered attitude, or because they’ll want followers of their own and tear the ESFJ down at the first sign of weakness.  In either case, this ESFJ will end up without real friends or real meaning in their lives.

ESFJs’ second option is to focus on being the most *normal* (emphasis important).  An ESFJ who gets caught up in pleasing their group or culture, be it friends, family or faction, will find it all too easy to start sacrificing who they really are in the name of being liked.  Especially in a culture that wants nothing more than looking on the surface at the expense of anything real, an ESFJ can quickly fall into a pattern of trying to look like their culture’s picture of perfect, while neglecting anything real or genuine, encouraging others to do the same.

Both these first options leave the ESFJ feeling fake, shallow and in constant need of approval to feel valid, becoming just an insincere shell who has to suppress their real, magnificent self in order to look like what others want them to be.

But when an ESFJ instead redefines “normal”–when they defy the crappy parts of culture, even defying their friends if need be, stand up and say, “Being real is the new cool!”–an ESFJ becomes a powerful example and influence for good in the world, showing others how to be heroic, meaningful and happy, leading the charge and making life matter, making their own culture instead of following someone else’s.  This is the ESFJ Cavalry.

Though their interests may vary, the ESFJ Cavalry, always aware of the desires and needs of others, is often found in fiction as the perfect host or hostess, super-mom, or as an ahead-of-the-crowd trendsetter.  They combine the parentalness of the ENFJ Veteran, the force of will of the ESTJ Cannon and the bouncy color of the ESFP Morale Officer into a bright, warm, headstrong package.  They’re excellent at bringing together fun, savoir-faire and precision to help everyone have a great experience. With an Extraverted people-awareness to help them understand the needs and desires of others, a Sensor strength of being aware of the moment as they’re in it, an EFJ focus on the meaning behind actions, and a Judger talent for plans to put it all into motion, the ESFJ Cavalry is fantastic at making things memorable, seeing that everyone is taken care of, and that nobody is left out.

With the tendency to bowl ahead and a main weakness in data and conclusions, and yet with an earnest desire to be taken seriously, all EJs have different fears centered around, “No one will listen to me because I’m too ______.”  For the ENFJ Veteran (because I failed to mention it in their post), it’s a fear that, “My good intentions and trying to change people’s lives will never matter because I’m too nice, soft, etc.”  They inaccurately fear that they’re too weak to effect change… and so they feel like bad choices won’t matter either, so Faramir Dilemma seems to them to be about friends rather than consequences.

Similarly, the ESFJ Cavalry fears that, “I’ll never be truly smart, or anything above mediocre, so normal is the best I can hope for.”  They inaccurately fear that there is no reason to try to be anything more than the best at being average, not realizing that they bring special things to the table of heroism, and that they don’t have to think like other types in order to be a unique type of brilliant.

While the Cavalry is great at planning, they tend to prefer the day-to-day and in-the-moment plans as they relate to people, rather than worrying about the world as a whole, like an IJ does.  They’re happy to help shepherd their group to wherever they’re going, but they tend to care more about the progress and methods used to meet goals rather than the long-term goals themselves.  Whether it’s help looking **fabulous**, following protocol, making spinach puffs or sharing a “cuppa,” a healthy ESFJ is usually there at the ready with their own special way of helping their friends to shine at their best.

An ESFJ turns villainous when they no longer care about how their actions hurt people or when they don’t care that the group or culture they uphold is damaging people right in front of them.  The Dark Cavalry can demonstrate as a self-centered d-bag with cronies or fans, or some variation of a Stepford Smiler–be it a creepy housewife variety, an evil celebrity, or a cheerfully humming robot you’d be willing waste your precious shotgun ammo on, even when you’ve been using it on zombie-like aberrations (no, of course I’m not referring to anyone in particular…).  All just twisted versions of the Cavalry’s innate strengths of warm sociality.

How can an ESFJ be sure they’re doing it right, being the example of what to do and not what *not* to do?  By being real.  By not pretending everything is okay when it’s not, by caring about people even when they’re not following the plan, by being genuine, even when things aren’t perfect.  That’s how the ESFJ Cavalry can be sure to be the shining star of experience, rather than a hollow shell of vanity.

Cavalry or Dark Cavalry, a strong ESFJ is sure to be a powerful influence in the lives of others, compellingly and charismatically setting the standard of culture.

Examples:
Male:  Link Larkin, Hairspray
Female:  Rarity, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic
Villain:  Draco Malfoy, Harry Potter

Who are the Type Heroes?  Read the intro here, and stay tuned to meet them all!

Want more information on ESFJ, the Cavalry?  Read their Cognitive Orientation Guidebook here.

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Comment Response: Of INFJs, Principles of Typing and Characters that *POP* https://alittlebitofpersonality.com/comment-response-of-infjs-principles-of-typing-and-characters-that-pop/ https://alittlebitofpersonality.com/comment-response-of-infjs-principles-of-typing-and-characters-that-pop/#comments Sun, 10 Nov 2013 04:35:00 +0000 http://www.alittlebitofpersonality.com/index.php/2013/11/09/comment-response-of-infjs-principles-of-typing-and-characters-that-pop/ The other day, I got a fantastic comment on Type Heroes: INFJ – The Paladin by a cool INFJ named Match.  In addition to comments about liking the blog in general, he brought up some great questions about why I typed some of the characters in the INFJ collage the way I did.  Because it […]

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The other day, I got a fantastic comment on Type Heroes: INFJ – The Paladin by a cool INFJ named Match.  In addition to comments about liking the blog in general, he brought up some great questions about why I typed some of the characters in the INFJ collage the way I did.  Because it was a fantastic and well thought out comment, I thought it deserved a well thought out response.  I started typing and this behemoth came out.  Rather than try and fit it into like 50 comments all broken up, which would end up feeling like I was spamming everyone on my own blog -_-, I decided to turn it into a post that might set the precedent for future response posts that deserve this kind of care and attention.

I hope you really wanted that reply you asked for, Match 😀

Intro and Principles of Typing 

Okay, important things first: Match is a really cool name!  Can I just say that?

Also, I’m *so* happy you’re enjoying the blog!  The things you said about Hercules Syndrome and the stick figure post make me feel giddy 😀  This is exactly why I write and it thrills me to know it’s working and that I’m touching individual people.  That’s really my purpose as an ENTP, helping people see their own individual potential and know how to reach for it; helping people be awesome in their own unique ways 🙂

You brought up really excellent points about those individual characters.  I also *loved* what you said about people making personality typing about cut-and-paste horoscopes!  I couldn’t agree more.  I think the one principle I’d like to bring up before going into specific character typings is that, while you’re obviously looking past the surface of types and I can tell you don’t type shallowly at all, it’s important to remember that personality types are a measure of the way a person *thinks* which ends up resulting in their actions, but *isn’t* their actions.  I know you know that principle, but it’s easy to forget that when other people are judging by the surface.  It’s easy to forget that two people may make the *exact same* decision for *entirely* different reasons.  Make sense?

So when I type a person, I look at the way a person talks *in conjunction* with the way they act, making sure to include the way they’re *trying* to come off.  Often the way a person talks is a better barometer of their personality type than their actions, in a way even they don’t usually realize.  One of the main ways in which people oversimplify characters and personality types is by only taking into account a person’s actions or the way they act on the surface, and not taking their reasoning behind it into account.

{Side-note: This is the way I type, as an ENTP, with my primary focus being Character Observation, but my INFJ is excellent at typing people too, he just uses his primary focus of Principles to see *in principle* what a person is.  Hard to explain, but it works.  It’s addressing the same problem from opposite angles, but it works.}

But it’s amazing as you listen to a person talk, the subtle things that come out about the way they think.  For example, a lot of people tell me they’re INFJs who I’m pretty sure are not, but with you, from your one comment (albeit a long comment 😉 ) I can tell you are.  You talk in principles leading to actions in the form of concepts (N) rather than experiences (S) according to their meaning (F) rather than their usefulness (T), though by the time you get to the details stage, you focus on use (T).  There are other indicators too, but anyway 😉

With characters it can sometimes be easier than real people because you more often get to see them as a whole.

Captain America and Peter Burke — The Dependable Side of INFJ and What Makes Characters *POP*

Okay, let’s start with Captain America/Steve Rogers and Peter Burke of White Collar, because they’re similarly dutiful, generally rule-following and with an old-fashioned sense of right, wrong and justice.  So they look pretty ISJ, right?  We’d expect the characters in these types of roles—that of Patriotic Poster-Boy and successful FBI agent—to be very sensing oriented, focusing on the value of things already experienced rather than on the conceptual of what could be.

And yet it’s how *unexpected* these characters are, that makes us love them.  It’s the choices they make and the way they react to things in a way that other people might not that really makes them *POP*.  This is an archetype found all throughout fiction (and I think in the real world too); take a role, a position, etc. that you would usually expect to be filled by a certain type of character, and throw in just a little surprise in personality that totally makes the character stand out from what we’re used to and expect.  I mentioned this briefly in the Paradoxitype post (which I’m so glad you liked 🙂 ), the idea of a person being consistent… until they surprise you and *that* is when they really shine.

In the movie of Captain America, the reason Steve Rogers is chosen for the experiment is because he’s different from the other soldiers.  From the beginning, when he’s a scrawny little guy that won’t give up, Dr. Erskine, the scientist, can see that Steve is special because he has different reasons for wanting to go fight in the same war.  Steve understands what the war *means* and the principles behind it.  He thinks and serves in a very IFJ way, constantly making decisions basing his Step Two of Actions on his auxiliary, Fe, cognition.  Now, thus far, that could totally be a dedicated “Keep Calm and Be There” ISFJ, but Steve keeps taking his reasons back to concepts and is always talking in a sweeping “Keep Calm and I’ll Show You How to Fly” INFJ type way.  His unexpected jokes, everything that makes Steve the lovable unexpected character he is, comes from how much we *don’t* expect an Ni dom to be in a role like that.  Because we’re expecting a dependable, linear ISJ in a role like that, Captain America *POPS*. 🙂

Peter Burke too, we’d expect to be the stereotypical hard-lining ISTJ, and we can tell that the FBI makes him feel like he *should* be an ST, but it’s the way he reacts to Neal that really makes his NF shine.  Over and over again, when we expect him to take the tried-and-true method with Neal… he just doesn’t.  He believes in Neal and trusts him for what Neal *means*, what he sees in principle that Neal can be, if he’ll only let himself.  For an ENTP suffering from severe Megamind Complex, the one thing Neal needs most of all is for someone to believe in him, to trust that he could be a good person and to see past his cavalier facade.  The only reason Peter agrees to Neal’s release-scheme in the first place was because Neal had impressed him as a good person and because he saw potential in Neal in a very NF way.  If Peter was instead the expected, rule abiding hard-liner, with the show consisting of Neal trying something against the rules repeatedly and Peter saying “No, no, no!” over and over again, that would get old fast.  It’s the way that Peter constantly adapts with Neal that gets Peter in trouble with other, more rigid agents, and yet makes he and Neal into such a great team.  With Neal, with Elizabeth, with Mozzi and in all his own plans, it’s Peter’s NF that makes him *POP*.

 

Now, I’m certainly *not* saying, for anyone wondering by this point, that INFJs are the only ones that *POP*.  On the contrary, the main reason beloved characters are beloved is because they’re at least in some way unexpected.  Match, you said you loved my ISFJ examples because people stereotype them as only being good at being housewives or butlers.  🙂  In that vein, one of my *favorite* ISFJ characters *ever* is Master Chief from the Halo video game series.  He has that unexpected *POP* because they treat him like he should be such a machine, either following an ISTJ protocol or being some kind of extreme-sports ESTP having fun bashing in alien heads (maybe like quite a bit of the player-base?) but he brings such down-to-earth worldwide *meaning* to everything he does, even if even Cortana can’t see it sometimes.  Any personality type can *POP*, it’s the way that they surprise you that makes you see what they truly are.

Harry Potter and Frodo Baggins — Hercules Syndrome and What Makes a Hero

With both Harry Potter and Frodo, you brought up the question of being Fi doms, and they are very similar characters.  The young, inexperienced pupil charged with the task of saving the world against impossible odds, chosen by darkness (either the dark lord or the dark ring) to be the figurehead of the side of good… kind of against their will.  While that description could cover a lot of protagonists, of several different personality types, to me it’s Harry and Frodo’s Hercules Syndrome that makes them so perfect for the tasks.

Hercules Syndrome is a funny thing.  INFJs are one of the only types where their main weakness is also one of their main strengths… and that’s why everyone hates them!  jk… but seriously… Not thinking they’re very special and feeling guilty for their strengths is one of the main reasons INFJs are so often resented.  They’re just so obviously good naturally (though obviously that’s still a choice), and yet they’re usually the only ones that don’t realize it.  People think of it like skinny girls who say they’re so fat 😉  And yet, that’s not the way INFJs think.  They’re not *trying* to say “Oh look at me, I’m so good, you should acknowledge it!”  They’re just being themselves and where their brains naturally go makes them constantly go, “Oh, crap!  I was shining too much again, wasn’t I?”

In fact, if you come across a person whose attitude is “I’m so great because I’m a mighty and wise INFJ,” they *aren’t*.  INFJs never function that way, even the villains.  I get very sick of the all too common stereotypes that INFJs are either wimpy philosophizing daisies or *the* best type whom everyone claims to be.  INFJs have the most zoomed-out focus which is specialized in its own sweeping way.  Each type has their special, equal place and that is INFJs’.  It would be stupid if an ESTP for example (because it’s opposite) gave up their unique specialization of individuality because they thought it was better/more widely accepted/wiser/cleverer to be an INFJ and focus on how meaning applies to the world as a whole.  Be your own type, people, because you *suck!* at the others, and it’s not *YOU!*

Ahem.  That was a soapbox and not directed at you, Match, so excuse me.  I’ve seen a lot of people lately who are all too excited to claim INFJ because they think it makes them better.  They are therefore not INFJs, end of story.

 

While some days we facepalm and say “Oh Harry, don’t do that!” Harry Potter’s constant desire to just be normal like everybody else is just one of the special things about him that makes him perfect for the task of taking down He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named 😉  He shrugs off the things that make him special, not wanting the attention and as Dumbledore says (more on him later), Harry just doesn’t realize how unique he is.  Harry has a conceptual principles focus (INJ) with a major weakness in character judgment, leading to trouble separating bad actions of people like Snape and even his ESTP father, from their much better intentions.  He focuses so much on the meaning and principles at stake that he has difficulty seeing how people could cause that much damage without being badly intentioned.  My INFJ facepalms over Harry’s treatment of Draco Malfoy because a more grown-up INFJ would be able to gain Draco’s respect rather than making an instant enemy.  But all Harry sees early on is that he’s standing up against what Draco stands for, and standing up for his friends in principle.

Harry is always standing up for somebody, always feeling the need to save somebody, even when people make fun of him for it.  He exemplifies the IJ, “If I don’t do it, no one else will,” whether it’s destroying Voldemort, saving people from the bottom of a lake or teaching everyone defense against the dark arts.  I’ve seen Harry typed several places as an ISFP, but I think this may come from a misunderstanding of S/N.  Harry talks very conceptually, abstractly and pays massive attention to overarching principles at work in the world.  I’m curious why they thought of him as an S?

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I love this drawing by Tealin, parodying the last scene of Fellowship of the ring with Harry, Ron and Hermione.  It brings out a similarity between Harry and Frodo that to me is just so INFJ: that of INFJs’ learned understanding that they have to complete their quests alone, lest they bring their friends down with them and submit them to the pain and anguish that Hercules Syndrome tells the INFJ is their fault.  I mentioned this in The Personalities of Marble Hornets with Jay, and you find it all throughout fiction with INFJs.  INFJs embracing being the Paladin need a strong support-structure of other types, willing to stand up, give them a gentle slap on the face and say, “Heck no, I’m not letting you go to Mordor alone!  I’m choosing to come along so let me carry the lembas already.”

As far as Frodo goes, in both the books and the films (granted, this is coming from an obsession with the extended films, only reading half of Fellowship, playing LotRO, and being married to a big Tolkien nerd INFJ who likes to go off about the meaning in LoTR 😉 ) it seems to me that what sets him apart so often from the other hobbits, including Sam, Merry and Pippin whom I love, is that the other hobbits seem so much more in the moment in an either S (Sam and Pippin) or EJ (Merry) way.  But Frodo is always thinking of the bigger picture, the bigger task; focusing near the beginning on Gandalf and what the quest means to him, and gradually getting a greater understanding of the grave mission he’s been sent on.

I’m bothered by the way many people react to the difference in Frodo and Sam’s roles in LoTR.  I’ve often read people say straight out that Sam was the “real hero” of LoTR.  There’s a statement I think Tolkien would take issue with.  To look at Frodo, the ring-bearer, carrying a burden that ripped him apart from the inside and almost destroyed everything he was, who had the vision, bravery and resolve of character to get the ring all the way to Mordor and not let the carrying of Sauron’s horcrux take him over, and not recognize him as one of the noblest of heroes shows a great lack of understanding of the power of evil and forgets that though Frodo makes it look easy, it wasn’t.  Which isn’t to say that Sam was any less heroic or essential to the quest.  There are so many times that Frodo wouldn’t have made it if not for Sam.  But I think too many people forget that Sam *wouldn’t* have gotten there without Frodo.  I don’t understand the need to make it a competition, when Frodo and Sam obviously understood their need for each other.  They have a fantastically healthy masculine relationship and one that I think is found often with INFJs and ISFJs.  INFJs are focused on the meaning of the overall quest as a whole, functioning like admirals or generals behind the scenes, and ISFJs are focused on meaning applied on the ground and function like captains dedicated to the protection and welfare of their troops.  With Frodo and Sam it’s no different; Frodo’s job is to get the ring to Mordor; Sam’s job is to get him there.  Sam doesn’t resent that, why should anyone else?

Here is a quote from the end of The Return of the King (novel) that demonstrates how INFJ Frodo talks, in sweeping conceptual, focusing on the meaning that is the cause of events, and demonstrates his character:

“I tried to save the Shire, and it has been saved, but not for me. It must often be so, Sam, when things are in danger: some one has to give them up, lose them, so that others may keep them…and you will read things out of the Red Book, and keep alive the memory of the age that is gone, so that people will remember the Great Danger, and so love their beloved land all the more. And that will keep you as busy and as happy as anyone can be, as long as your part in the Story goes on.”

Even before we really began studying personality typing in-depth, my INFJ would love to talk about how Frodo, Aragorn and Gandalf were all the same character at different stages of their development.  I think that’s brilliant.  Aragorn is obviously so much more developed as an INFJ than Frodo, and Gandalf so much more than he is, but they all have that same focus of world meaning.

Aragorn is much farther along in his internal development in the novels than in the movies; his internal struggle with overcoming his Hercules Syndrome and growing ready to take his place and return as the king has already taken place by the time of the books.  I understand Tolkien’s reasoning for this and I think he did it phenomenally, but I also understand and love the reasoning behind Peter Jackson (and Co)’s decision to make Aragorn a hero still in progress.  To quote my own novel with an INFJ protagonist, “’So often, as people we see princes and we see kings and we forget that there is anything in between.  We forget that princes become kings, boys become men, and that men can become even more than that…  They tell you that you could never [be great] because you’re not already there.’”  Too often we see Gandalf as this towering mentor and hero, out of the potential reach of mere mortals, and yet if we come to understand that he’s just a grown-up Aragorn, who in turn is just a grown-up Frodo, we can see that we too have the potential to become heroes, held back only by our own willingness to sacrifice and shine in our own unique ways.

Ra’s al Ghul and Palpatine, Bruce Wayne and Albus Dumbledore — INFJ Villains and INTJ Heroes…plus Luke Skywalker

You said that your Batman/Ra’s al Ghul argument for typing Bruce as an INFJ and Ra’s as an INTJ was your best, and it was a very well-written argument!  You made a lot of really great points, but I want to bring up several principles in relation to the misunderstanding most people have about how INFJs can be villains and how INTJs can be heroes.

In the Type Heroes series, I always have a section on what each type is like as a villain because I believe each person understanding what kind of villain they could be is an essential part of learning how they can be a hero.  Until you can realize how strong and scary your type can be as a villain, you *will not* realize how powerful you can be as a hero.  And even a villain still cognates the same as his non-dark type brothers and shares the same predominant focus and weaknesses of psyche.  Just like every type brings something special to the heroic table, each type of villain is just as unique and telling.

I think understanding true evil is absolutely necessary for an INFJ, both in trying to overcome their Hercules Syndrome by seeing how evil they could be if they chose to, and in order to truly understand the principles behind evil as they contrast it with the principles of why good *works*.

INFJs focus *above all* on Meaning as it is Applied to the World as a whole, with their conceptual Ni of Principles leading to Actions chosen according to Fe, which tells them the *meaning* of actions outside themselves, rather than the *use* of applied action, the way INTJs do.  Translation in practice?  INFJ villains will see that the world reflects their principles of meaning… no matter who gets in their way.  Where INTJ villains care about putting the world to *use*, desiring ultimate control the way Loki, Darth Vader or Sauron do, an INFJ villain would rather shape the world based on meaning, using the decisions and agency of others to their own gain, rather than trying to literally dominate them.

My INFJ is pretty obsessed with INFJ villains, absolutely loving how unexpected INFJs make villainy *POP* because no one anticipates a mild-mannered INFJ being able to smoothly and calmly rip apart nations… and yet with their understanding of the meaning behind all action, INFJs are perfectly situated to tug on a single thread to unravel the whole thing.  Where an INTJ villain would be happy to glass a community that refused to follow him, an INFJ villain would prefer to sew seeds of rebellion behind the scenes, letting the people and community rip themselves apart from the inside using their own discretion.  Subtle manipulation of a person’s own choices is much more satisfying to a villainous INFJ than simple mind or action control.  I think that sums up Ra’s al Ghul intentions pretty well; he’d rather rip apart either Gotham or Rome through principles like fear, economics and the worthiness or evil of what people mean than he would just take over the city or the world by brute force like, say, Loki wants to.

As a real life example, Adolf Hitler exemplified the traits and motivation of an INFJ villain.  He’s legendary for using the emotions of his people to stir them up and make them believe that his plans were necessary.  In this day and age, too many people imagine Hitler as some sort of dictatorial leader who just made Germany do what he wanted.  While he was able to be more and more obvious about his plans as the war went on, if you watch footage of him, he was incredibly well-spoken and inspirational, causing people who heard his speeches to weep at the picture of Germany and the world that he painted.  He understood how to use people’s sense of nationality and preexisting biases; he understood how to incite youth.  He wouldn’t have been the effective and moving blot on the history of our world if he hadn’t understood how to get others to rip the world apart for him.

Emperor Palpatine is the same, even in the abominable prequels and definitely in CGI The Clone Wars where he shines; he’d prefer to rise to power through the slow manipulation of the system and people’s emotions than to just begin an outright rebellion of the Republic… he has pawns to do that, ones he manipulates just as smoothly as the senate.  And in the originals, he takes a sick and twisted pleasure at using Luke’s emotion against him and triumphs when he’s pitted Luke and Vader against each other.  Just a messed-up way of enjoying the meaning and principles behind the world 😉

On the other side of things, INFJs and INTJs (like all types) can both be heroes and choose good actions, but obviously they have different reasoning and motivations behind those decisions.  Like INFJ villains, what defines and exemplifies an INTJ hero?  Well, of course, because the cognition is the same, it’s similar to what defines an INTJ villain.  Like INFJ heroes and villains focus on the *meaning* behind people and actions and how to apply that meaning into action, INTJ heroes and villains share the trait of focusing on the *use* of people and actions and make plans based on their usefulness rather than their meaning.  This means that INTJs have a tendency to go around people rather than using them, if they aren’t willing to cooperate.  That can mean a villain killing someone in their way, rather than choosing to use that person, or it can mean a hero choosing to be a vigilante if the system isn’t working.

Which brings us to Bruce Wayne.  Yes, he relies on friends, though I don’t think there’s any type that can afford not to.  Yes he’s self-sacrificing, though I think that’s also a trait of any good human being and I make sad faces when anyone tries to imply that Ts can’t be just as willing to give of themselves for the greater good.  We all use all four functions, iNtuition, Sensing, Feeling and Thinking, just in different orders and with different emphases.

Yes, the picture has a typo. -_-

In fact INTJs’ Anakin Angst is their equivalent to Hercules Syndrome, Megamind Complex, Moriarty Fear, etc. because INTJs are *terrified* that everything that goes wrong is their fault.  Somehow, their beautiful and impressive strength of applying Ni principles to the use of Te action makes them feel like if something went wrong or something was out of their control, it was their fault.  If INTJs don’t get a hold of their Anakin Angst, by *letting go* of control, then they are sure to eventually become the very thing they’re trying to keep from hurting the world in the first place.  Though Ra’s al Ghul becomes the thing he at first fought, it’s out of a need to make the world reflect certain meaning rather than trying to make sure that no element of it is out of his control, the way an INTJ would be tempted to.  Anakin Angst is like Indiana Jones (also INTJ) having the hardest time letting the Holy Grail fall into oblivion in Last Crusade because he can *almost* reach it and he knows just what good could be done with it; he almost loses himself the way Elsa does because it’s just so hard to let go of control, knowing the cup will be gone and it’ll be his fault.

In that same way, Bruce being an INTJ puts into perspective how difficult it is for him not to misuse the cell network in Dark Knight and how hard it is for him not to let the Joker manipulate his fear that Gordon “dying” and Rachel being taken were his fault.  He gets all too close to breaking his “don’t kill” policy on Joker because he’s so desperate to have things back in control so he can fix things growing more and more wrong around him.

In some ways Bruce Wayne and Ra’s al Ghuls’ war represents the opposite of the typical INFJ hero/INTJ villain battles.  Usually stories focus on the meaning of people being more valuable than their use; Batman Begins instead focuses on a world that Ra’s wants to discard because it is no longer meaningful, trying to set it on a course toward destruction ripped apart by its own rife meaninglessness, but Bruce debates that it is still of use—though it isn’t yet meaningful, Gotham has the potential to be, if used correctly.

The Dark Knight makes a similar case from a different angle.  Nolan’s Joker, who functions slightly differently than his ENTP cartoon and comic predecessors, sets out to prove, regardless of the reactions he receives from others (which suggests introverted) to Gotham his worldview of how puny and pathetic they are, pretending to be so great and propping up their “stupid” J plans (while he’s so P adaptive) while the world is really entirely chaotic and its only meaning is in realizing how meaningless and pointless it all is.  Man, it’s like being on an internet forum or something 😉  As an unhealthy conceptual, adaptive, self-deciding introvert who primarily focuses on the use of people and things (unhealthy N,P,I,T…INTP) his greatest weakness is the meaning of principles (principles via Fe), and he sets out to prove the area in which he feels the most angry and defensive—his worldview.

As an INTP/INTJ throwdown, the Joker decides to show the world and Batman that principles are all well and good in childrens’ games, but in the real world, the whole thing is pointless and all Bruce’s best efforts for control will never be enough to combat the Joker’s pessimistic, self-justifying worldview that in the end everyone is just a villain (ITs focus on people on the whole being bad).  Now Bruce (also IT, so same pessimistic focus) understands just how bad people can be too and at times fears the Joker is right about Gotham, but he is able to prove the Joker wrong by showing that even when the whole is rotten and festering, it is individuals like him who will take the hit and show that people can rise above a culture of enmity and self-preservation to show what humanity, in principle, can be.  Reminded me of Picard’s constant mantra of the nobility of mankind—INTJ too ;).  Though there are casualties of this humanity war, like Dent, there are still enough good people for humanity to save itself, and Batman is just a symbol of the use humanity still has left.

All-in-all, I think Bruce Wayne’s focus on use over meaning and the pessimism being an IT gives him naturally is what gives Batman its “dark and edgy” feel and makes him *POP* among superheroes in an unique way.

Albus Dumbledore is another interesting example because on the surface he seems so typical-mentor-ish, like an INFJ or an ENFJ.  He’s patient and caring and he likes conceptual principles a lot.  He’s also quirky and goofy in a way that most people would consider F.  However, as we come to learn more about his backstory, we see over and over again that he’s struggled desperately to overcome a need to control and a tendency to go around people rather than to change the way they think.  With all the characters in the story, he focuses on how to best put them to use rather than meaning.  Starting with himself and with everyone including Cornelius Fudge, Snape and even Harry, Dumbledore focuses on their use before their meaning, even as much as it kills him inside to do so with Harry.

Dumbledore is an insanely healthy version of an INTJ, and so therefore has overcome many of its weaknesses, but as we look at the way he was when he was younger, a lot of which we don’t get to see until Deathly Hallows, we can see that his relationship with Grindelwald and Aberforth was one of trying to shape the world into his vision, believing that people would just need to get out of the way to see that accomplished.  The death of his sister woke him up to the damage his excited version of Anakin Angst had caused, making him look at just what he was damaging, trying to shape the world to be of use.

Looking at younger versions of heroes is a good way to type them since they’re more likely to display more of the weaknesses of their type that they may have overcome as they developed.  If we watch Bruce Wayne in the flashbacks in Batman Begins, he doesn’t seem like an undeveloped INFJ with Hercules Syndrome, he’s a d-bag little T (we all have our days ;)) seeking revenge and talking about how Rachel’s system is no longer of use.  This is an amusing trend to me with some young, especially male, INTJs being arrogant little things that grow up to be noble heroes and great mentors.  The quote from my writing, in the Frodo/Harry section is actually by the protagonist’s father and mentor who I used to think was an INFJ too, but then I looked at his already written background which went totally in line with the character and he was an arrogant little d-bag who grew up to be one of my favorite characters and in retrospect is obviously T.

I feel bad throwing Luke Skywalker in at the end of this section, when he probably could have gone with Harry/Frodo or Cap’n/Peter Burke, but he applies to this principle too.  Luke Skywalker is a great example of an *undeveloped* INFJ.  He does focus on the meaning of the world and he’s usually Judging action-oriented to a fault, running ahead to go stand up for somebody, even when it would be better to slow down and consider other options.  If you are looking for what untrained, inexperienced INFJs are like, look no further than Luke Skywalker who can be even more immature than Harry about “But if I don’t save my friends, no one will!”

Superman—Same Character, Different Cognition

I don’t plan on this being a long section, because we’ve covered a lot of principles about INFJs and typing characters in general.  But the tricky thing about me typing Superman is, he’s not always written as the same type.  This happens with lots of characters, especially ones that have lots of different media based on them over the years.  I gave the example of the Joker earlier.  Sherlock Holmes is another great one, with BBC’s Benedict Cumberbatch rendition being INTJ and Robert Downy Jr.’s being ENTP (pretty much everything RDJ touches is ENTP) and their Watsons are ENFP and ISFJ respectively.  Like I said earlier, different cognition patterns may come to the exact same conclusion or action via entirely different cognitive routes.

As far as Superman specifically goes, there are a ton of different versions.  When I got your comment, my INFJ and I were discussing this and he said, “No INFJ would be caught dead saying ‘Truth, justice and the American way.'”  He also added that they wouldn’t limit themselves to something as simple as “the American way” but he’s not sure if he wants me to add that or not and started Hercules Syndroming about how I should add how he does love America so no one would get the wrong impression…  Anyway, that sounds like a more ISFJ thing to say, and we love them for their straightforward nobility… even if it is still a little bit silly as a motto. 

But then why did I put him under INFJ?  Well, I was working under the premise of what Superman means to us as an icon and which versions of him *POP* the most.  What makes Superman work as a character and not as a cardboard cut-out is his humanity in spite of his alienness.  His weaknesses are of an emotional nature, otherwise he’s just a building-leaping, laser vision, strength knows no bounds, flying dude with not a lot of dimension.  Many renditions of Superman are that boring, and it’s been hard for him to gain traction in recent years without having enough conflict to contrast his strength.  A relatable Superman, to me, is the literal personification of Hercules Syndrome, riddled with pain and insecurity about how different he is than the humanity he so desires to fit in with, consumed with guilt over his strength, saving the world even when he’s hated for it.  It’s when Superman hates himself for his powers and has to overcome that anguish that he really shines.

That being said, I can’t give you an example of that kind of Superman.  I don’t know that there isn’t one… I just haven’t seen or read many actual examples of Superman, and in the ones I’ve seen he didn’t seem to be.  Ironically enough, I still haven’t seen the Man of Steel which the picture in the collage was from because after it came out I heard it sucked, but I had written and posted The Paladin and the trailers had gotten me *sooo* excited for an INFJ Superman.  The trailers for Man of Steel portrayed a conflicted Clark Kent who had to hide what he was from the world, even if it meant letting people suffer, because his father believed, probably rightly so, the world wasn’t ready for him yet, that they would despise him for his gifts and how different he was.  That Superman seemed to encapsulate so much of what INFJ means… but since I still haven’t seen the movie, I’m not sure they did that… and from what I’ve heard… they haven’t 🙁

Some versions of Superman could very well be ENFJ (though I’ll bet a lot of especially old ones are ISFJ instead), but I’m still pouting that I didn’t get the INFJ Superman that would have brought out the real hero in his super-ness. 😉

When Actors are Different Types than Their Characters

My final thought this time is that, as you probably realize, actors don’t have to be the same type as their characters and so they may put a slightly different character spin on a character than how they’re written, which can make typing a little harder.  Most often characters are played by one-offs or Paradoxitypes, which makes them close, but not exactly of the same cognition as their character…but that’s not a rule or anything.  For example, I tentatively type Chris Evans (Captain America) as an ISFJ, Elijah Wood (Frodo) as an INFP (Robert Pattinson who plays Edward Cullen, too), Daniel Radcliffe (Harry Potter) as ISFP (which is ironic considering), and I’m pretty sure Mark Hamill (Luke Skywalker) is actually INFJ 🙂  Those are based on observation as well as facial typing theorems I’m working on that aren’t even in Beta yet…

I guess my point here is that people have a complex range of emotion and being able to understand others, so just because a person isn’t of the same cognition as a character, doesn’t mean they can’t portray them excellently.  It’s also important to realize that just because we’re a different type than a character, doesn’t mean we can’t apply and relate their experience to ourselves for benefit and learning in our lives 😀

{Update 5-29-14: Though I was absolutely right about actors playing characters who are different types from themselves, facial typing was *veeeery* young when I wrote this post.  Therefore several of these actor’s types are incorrect and should be disregarded until Facial Typing is released and the “Canon” aLBoP typings for these actors comes out 🙂  … Although they’re not all wrong.  The INFPs were correct… but Mark Hamill is definitely *not* INFJ, etc. <3 Calise}

Well, as long and insanely drawn out as this was as a response to your comment, Match, I hope it answers your questions as to why I typed these characters the way I did and gave you some insight into my typing process in general.  I’m epically glad you’re enjoying the blog and I’d love to get to know you better and I hope you stick around!!  Thanks so much for commenting; well-thought out comments make my day and make all of this worth it!

<3, Calise Sellers

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{Update 5-29-14:  I mentioned in the first Q&A that this post had incorrect typings that I needed to fix (though none of the ones that had been questioned thus far).  I was really rushed last Semptember to get this post out, so I messed up a handful of typings.  Mostly one-offs.  Well, I finally went through the arduous task of meticulously combing through *all* the typings in this post 😛  I’m relieved to say this post is finally up to the quality standard of the rest of the blog, and I am very proud of the results!  Enjoy and happy costuming!
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It’s that time of year again; the time of year when stores put out Halloween decorations ridiculously early and you know their Christmas decorations are just around the corner.  I swear they start marketing this stuff earlier every year.  All the same, if you want an attractive and complex costume for Halloween (or wherever else you might wear a costume) you need time to prepare.  Too many Halloweens I ended up trying to pick something to wear on the 31st and was bummed out when it didn’t come out as planned or no one knew what I was.  While I think it’s worth it to go for the 1% who know what you’re dressed as, you want enough time so that *you* are happy and feel good about yourself.

In that vein, I love the idea of wearing a costume that matches your personality type or Paradoxitype!  For Dragoncon this year, I dressed up as a steampunked version of Meg from Disney’s Hercules, with my INFJ dressed as a hydraulically powered Herc.  We put the cosplays together last minute and had some armor issues.  We didn’t end up getting *any* pictures together, which really bummed me out (though a bunch of strangers have pictures of us, wherever they are 😉 ).  imho, they looked better in person, but with our little budget, they came out pretty great.  Rocket-pack Pegasus is my favorite feature, along with Herc’s working arm pumps that pushed air into tubes every time he moved without limiting his range of motion very much.  I’m also insanely proud of my guns, Pain and Panic, which started out as dollar store neon plastic and ended up with a torched steel effect.  It’s the little details that make it special, even if other people never see it.

So, in order to aid you in your own costuming adventures of self-discovery and second-degree glue gun burns, I thought I’d provide you with a list of costume possibilities by personality type.  These will hopefully span a wide variety of fandoms and complexities so that you may be decked out in possibilities and have the ability to tailor one to your own needs! 😀  I am also not above giving personal recommendations if you want to leave me a comment and ask for a suggestion to fit your personal situation and personality, y’know, within reason. 😉  Most of all, I advise you to have fun, be yourself and *own it*, whatever you wear.  Take it from an ENTP, you look a lot less stupid when you roll with it.

 

INTJ Costume Ideas

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Comic Book Characters:
Batman
Loki, The Avengers
Nick Fury, The Avengers
Charles Xavier, X-Men*
Magneto, X-Men
Phoney Bone, Bone*

Fantasy, Harry Potter and LoTR:
Sauron, Lord of the Rings and The Silmarillion
The Witch King of Angmar, LoTR
Elrond, LoTR
Thorin Oakenshield, The Hobbit
Albus Dumbledore, Harry Potter
Lord Voldemort, Harry Potter
Jane of the Volturi, Twilight

Sci-Fi and Space Opera:
Dr. Simon Tam, Firefly
Darth Vader, Star Wars
Anakin Skywalker, Star Wars (especially in The Clone Wars cgi series; actually one of the major problems with the prequels is that Anakin doesn’t act INTJ most of the time… but that’s a topic for another day.)
Captain Picard, Star Trek: The Next Generation
GLADoS, Portal

TV Shows:
Sherlock, BBC’s Sherlock
Detective Carlton Lassiter, Psych

Disney and Animated:
King Triton, The Little Mermaid
The Beast, Beauty and the Beast
Jane, Return to Neverland*
Twilight Sparkle, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic
Princess Luna, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic
Princess Azula, Avatar: The Last Airbender
Lin Bei Fong, Avatar: The Legend of Korra*
Maleficent, Sleeping Beauty
Scar, The Lion King
Captain Hook, Peter Pan
Shifu, Kung Fu Panda
Tigress, Kung Fu Panda

Other Iconic Characters:
Indiana Jones
Mr. Darcy, Pride and Prejudice
Elphaba, Wicked
The Phantom, Phantom of the Opera*

 

ISTJ Costume Ideas

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Comic Book Characters:
Agent Hill, The Avengers

Fantasy, Harry Potter and LoTR:
Lady Galadriel, LoTR
Professor Minerva McGonagall, Harry Potter
Rosalie Hale, Twilight

Sci-Fi and Space Opera:
Spock, Star Trek
HAL 9000, 2001: A Space Odyssey (Could be very iconic with a black sheet and a red lightbulb :D)
Zoe Washburne, Firefly
Charles Gunn, Angel

TV Shows:
Monica Geller, Friends

Disney and Animated:
Tiana, The Princess and The Frog
Queen Elinor, Pixar’s Brave
Mother Gothel, Tangled
Zazu, The Lion King
Sebastian the crab, The Little Mermaid
Cogsworth, Beauty and the Beast
Frollo, The Hunchback of Notre Dame
Tenzin, Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Zecora, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic

Other Iconic Characters:
The Operator, Marble Hornets
Bert, Sesame Street
Sam the Eagle, The Muppets

 

INFJ Costume Ideas

Source

Comic Book Characters:
Captain America, The Avengers
Spiderman
Ra’s al Ghul, Batman
Thorn, Bone
Susie Derkins, Calvin and Hobbes

Fantasy, Harry Potter and LoTR:
Harry Potter
Frodo, LoTR
Strider/Aragorn, LoTR
Gandalf, LoTR
Angel, Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel
Edward Cullen, Twilight
Aro, Twilight
Wesley, The Princess Bride

Sci-Fi and Space Opera:
Luke Skywalker, Star Wars
Emperor Palpatine, Star Wars
Master Yoda, Star Wars
Revan, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
River Tam, Firefly
Inara Serra, Firefly
Peeta Mellark, The Hunger Games
Wanderer/Wanda, The Host
Sonny, iRobot

TV Shows:
Molly Hooper, BBC’s Sherlock
Pam Beesly, The Office

Disney and Animated:
Cinderella
Rapunzel, Tangled
Hercules
Tarzan
Esmeralda, The Hunchback of Notre Dame
Mufasa, The Lion King
Aang, Avatar: The Last Airbender
Prince Zuko, Avatar: The Last Airbender
Princess Celestia, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic
Hiccup, How to Train Your Dragon
Nemo, Pixar’s Finding Nemo

 

ISFJ Costume Ideas

Source

Comic Book Characters:
Hawkeye, The Avengers
Jean Grey, X-Men
Jarvis, Iron Man

Fantasy, Harry Potter and LoTR:
Samwise Gamgee, LoTR
Jasper Hale, Twilight
Victoria, Twilight

Sci-Fi and Space Opera:
Jim Raynor, Starcraft
Master Chief, Halo
The Arbiter, Halo
Optimus Prime, Transformers

TV Shows:
Michael Westen, Burn Notice*
Jack Bauer, 24
Burton Guster, Psych
Detective Inspector Lestrade, BBC’s Sherlock

Disney and Animated:
Nala, The Lion King
Jim Hawkins, Treasure Planet
Woody, Toy Story
The Iron Giant
Jack Skellington, Nightmare Before Christmas
Kim Possible
Prince Eric, The Little Mermaid
Prince Phillip, Sleeping Beauty
The Prince, Snow White
Captain Li Shang, Mulan
Goliath, Gargoyles
Shrek
Suki, Avatar: The Last Airbender
Mako, Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Shining Armor, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic

Other Iconic Characters:
Kermit the Frog, The Muppets
Will Turner, Pirates of the Caribbean
Christine, The Phantom of the Opera

 

ENTJ Costume Ideas

Source

Comic Book Characters:
Cyclops, X-Men
Rachel Dawes, The Dark Knight Trilogy

Fantasy, Harry Potter and LoTR:
Eowyn, LoTR
Boromir, LoTR
Hermione Granger, Harry Potter
Buffy Summers, Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Princess Buttercup, The Princess Bride

Sci-Fi and Space Opera:
Obi Wan Kenobi, Star Wars
Princess Leia Organa, Star Wars
Commander Will Riker, Star Trek: The Next Generation
Bastila Shan, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic

TV Shows:
Jessie Spano, Saved By the Bell
Ryan Howard, The Office*

Disney and Animated:
Pocahontas
Tinkerbell, Peter Pan
The Great and Powerful Trixie, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic
Demona, Gargoyles
Katara, Avatar: The Last Airbender
Anastasia
EVE, Wall-E
Chip, Chip ‘n’ Dale Rescue Rangers
Blossom, The Powerpuff Girls*

Other Iconic Characters:
Elizabeth Swann, Pirates of the Caribbean

 

 

 

ESTJ Costume Ideas

Source

Comic Book Characters:
Grandma Ben, Bone

Fantasy, Harry Potter and LoTR:
Eomer, LoTR
Dolores Umbridge, Harry Potter

Sci-Fi and Space Opera:
Lieutenant Commander Worf, Star Trek: The Next Generation
HK-47, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
Jubal Early, Firefly*

TV Shows:
Topanga Lawrence, Boy Meets World*
Dwight Schrute, The Office*
Mr. Richard Belding, Saved by the Bell

Disney and Animated:
Buzz Lightyear, Toy Story
Helen Parr/Elastigirl, The incredibles
Edna Mode, The Incredibles
Captain Amelia, Treasure Planet
Applejack, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic
Nani Pelekai, Lilo and Stitch*
Yzma, The Emperor’s New Groove
Maximus the Horse, Tangled

 
Other Iconic Characters:
Captain Barbossa, Pirates of the Caribbean


 

ENFJ Costume Ideas

Source

Comic Book Characters:
Storm, X-Men
Pepper Potts, Iron Man
Alfred Pennyworth, The Dark Knight Trilogy
Harvey Dent/Two-Face, The Dark Knight Trilogy*
Hobbes, Calvin and Hobbes

Fantasy, Harry Potter and LoTR:
Legolas, LoTR
Captain Faramir, LoTR
Arwen, LoTR
Carlisle Cullen, Twilight
Remus Lupin, Harry Potter

Sci-Fi and Space Opera:
Martha Jones, Doctor Who
Penny, Dr. Horrible’s Sing-Along Blog

TV Shows:
Kelly Kapowski, Saved By the Bell (90’s ftw!)

Disney and Animated:
Belle, Beauty and the Beast
Princess Aurora, Sleeping Beauty
Kida Nedakh, Atlantis: The Lost Empire
Miss Bianca, The Rescuers
Wendy Darling, Peter Pan
The Blue Fairy, Pinocchio
Princess Odette, The Swan Princess
Anita Radcliffe, 101 Dalmatians
Quasimodo, The Hunchback of Notre Dame
Rafiki, The Lion King
Mirage, The Incredibles
James P. Sullivan, Monsters Inc.
Uncle Iroh, Avatar: The Last Airbender
Hudson, Gargoyles
Minion, Megamind
Princess Cadance, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic
Lady Tremaine, the Wicked Stepmother, Cinderella

Other Iconic Characters:
Sister Encarnacion, Nacho Libre

 


ESFJ Costume Ideas

Source

Fantasy, Harry Potter and LoTR:
Molly Weasley, Harry Potter
Draco Malfoy, Harry Potter
Gilderoy Lockhart, Harry Potter
Nearly-Headless Nick, Harry Potter
Rita Skeeter, Harry Potter*
Lavender Brown, Harry Potter
Cornelius Fudge, Harry Potter*
Alice Cullen, Twilight

Sci-Fi and Space Opera:
C-3PO, Star Wars
343 Guilty Spark, Halo
Effie Trinket, The Hunger Games

TV Shows:
Mrs. Hudson, BBC’s Sherlock
Rachel Green, Friends
Janice, Friends
Lisa Turtle, Saved by the Bell

Disney and Animated:
Princess Jasmine, Aladdin
Mrs. Potts, Beauty and the Beast
Minnie Mouse
Charlotte La Bouff, The Princess and the Frog
Metro Man, Megamind
Flo, Pixar’s Cars
Celia, Pixar’s Monsters Inc.
Bomb Voyage, Pixar’s The Incredibles
Kronk, The Emperor’s New Groove
Jiminy Cricket, Pinocchio
Prince Charming, Shrek
Rarity, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic

Other Iconic Characters:
Barbie
Miss Piggy, The Muppets
Glinda, Wicked
Link Larkin, Hairspray
Edna Turnblad, Hairspray
Raoul, The Phantom of the Opera

 

INTP Costume Ideas

Source

Comic Book Characters:
The Joker, The Dark Knight

Fantasy, Harry Potter and LoTR:
Vizzini, The Princess Bride
Arthur Weasley, Harry Potter

Sci-Fi and Space Opera:
Dr. Leonard McCoy, Star Trek
Willow Rosenberg, Buffy the Vampire Slayer

TV Shows:
Jim Moriarty, BBC’s Sherlock
Toby Ziegler, The West Wing
Mozzi, White Collar
Dr. Ross Geller, Friends

Disney and Animated:
Jane Porter, Tarzan
Milo Thatcher, Atlantis: The Lost Empire
Roger Radcliffe, 101 Dalmatians
Maurice, Beauty and the Beast
Marlin, Pixar’s Finding Nemo
Syndrome, The Incredibles
Megavolt, Darkwing Duck
Bernard, The Rescuers
Gadget Hackwrench, Chip ‘n’ Dale Rescue Rangers
Ferb Fletcher, Phineas and Ferb*
John Darling, Peter Pan*

Other Iconic Characters:
Dr. Henry Jones Sr., Indiana Jones
Dr. Bunsen Honeydew, The Muppets
Telly Monster, Sesame Street

ISTP Costume Ideas

Source

 

 

Comic Book Characters:
Natasha Romanoff/Black Widow, The Avengers
Wolverine, X-Men

Fantasy, Harry Potter and LoTR:
Smeagol/Gollum, LoTR
Ginny Weasley, Harry Potter
Severus Snape, Harry Potter
Bella Swan, Twilight
Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride

Sci-Fi and Space Opera:
Katniss Everdeen, The Hunger Games
Shepherd Book, Firefly
The Ninth Doctor, Doctor Who
Asoka Tano, Star Wars: The Clone Wars
Asajj Ventress, Star Wars: The Clone Wars
Sarah Kerrigan, Starcraft
Marvin, the Paranoid Android, The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy

TV Shows:
Dr. Gregory House, House M.D.

Disney and Animated:
Princess Merida, Pixar’s Brave
Violet Parr, The Incredibles
Shego, Kim Possible
Buttercup, The Powerpuff Girls
Scootaloo, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic
Astrid, How to Train Your Dragon
Eeyore, Winnie the Pooh
Pascal the Chameleon, Tangled
Mai, Avatar: The Last Airbender
Joon, Avatar: the Last Airbender
Korra, Avatar: The Legend of Korra

Other Iconic Characters:
James Bond
Agent Ethan Hunt, Mission:Impossible

 

Police Chief John Anderton, Minority Report
Oscar the Grouch, Sesame Street

INFP Costume Ideas

Source

Sci-Fi and Space Opera:
George McFly, Back to the Future*

Fantasy, Harry Potter and LoTR:
Luna Lovegood, Harry Potter
Sybil Trelawney, Harry Potter
Alice, Tim Burton’s Alice in Wonderland

TV Shows:
Samuel “Screech” Powers, Saved By the Bell

Disney and Animated:
Sally, The Nightmare Before Christmas
Fluttershy, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic
Wall-E
Lewis, Meet the Robinsons*
Linus van Pelt, Peanuts*

 

ISFP Costume Ideas
Comic Book Characters:
Bruce Banner/The Hulk, The Avengers

Fantasy, Harry Potter and LoTR:
Treebeard, LoTR
Fezzik, The Princess Bride

Source


Sci-Fi and Space Opera:
Chewbacca, Star Wars
Data, Star Trek: The Next Generation

Disney and Animated:
Princess Ariel, The Little Mermaid
Snow White*
Alice, Disney’s Alice in Wonderland
Pinocchio
Piglet, Winnie the Pooh*
Guido, Pixar’s Cars
Red, Pixar’s Cars
Big Macintosh, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic
Strong Sad, Homestar Runner*

Other Iconic Characters:
Snuffleupagus, Sesame Street

 

ENTP Costume Ideas

Source

Comic Book Characters:
Tony Stark/Iron Man, Iron Man and The Avengers
Calvin, Calvin and Hobbes

Fantasy, Harry Potter and LoTR:
Sirius Black, Harry Potter
Fred and George Weasley, Harry Potter
Xander Harris, Buffy the Vampire Slayer

Sci-Fi and Space Opera:
Han Solo, Star Wars
R2-D2, Star Wars
Captain Malcolm Reynolds, Firefly (Do the “Pretty floral bonnet” version if you want to make my day 😉 )
The Tenth Doctor, Doctor Who
Dr. Emmett Brown, Back to the Future
Billy/Dr. Horrible, Dr. Horrible’s Sing-Along Blog
Haymitch, The Hunger Games
Cortana, Halo
Q, Star Trek: The Next Generation
Dark Helmet, Space Balls

TV Shows:
Neal Caffrey, White Collar
Shawn Spencer, Psych
Barney Stinson, How I Met Your Mother
Chandler Bing, Friends
Jim Halpert, The Office
Sam Axe, Burn Notice
Irene Adler, BBC’s Sherlock
Zack Morris, Saved By the Bell
Shawn Hunter, Boy Meets World

Disney and Animated:
Mulan
Megara, Hercules
Hades, Hercules
Flynn Rider/ Eugene Fitzherbert, Tangled
Simba, The Lion King
Captain Phoebus, The Hunchback of Notre Dame
Ursula, The Little Mermaid
Long John Silver, Treasure Planet
Mike Wazowski, Pixar’s Monsters Inc.
Frozone, Pixar’s The Incredibles
Megamind
Dimitri, Anastasia
Miss Frizzle, The Magic School Bus
Phineas Flynn, Phineas and Ferb
Discord, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic
Applebloom, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic
Dash Parr, Pixar’s The Incredibles*
David Xanatos, Gargoyles
Darkwing Duck/ Drake Mallard
Negaduck, Darkwing Duck
Toph Bei Fong, Avatar: The Last Airbender
Toothless, How to Train Your Dragon*
Lilo Pelekai, Lilo and Stitch*

Other Iconic Characters:
Captain Jack Sparrow, Pirates of the Carribean
Chris Knight, Real Genius
Ferris Bueller, Ferris Bueller‘s Day Off
Alex Hitchens, Hitch
Gonzo the Great, The Muppets

ESTP Costume Ideas

Source

 

 

Comic Book Characters:
Thor, Thor and The Avengers

Fantasy, Harry Potter and LoTR:
Gimli, LoTR
Ron Weasley, Harry Potter
Cordelia Chase, Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel
Spike, Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel
Jacob Black, Twilight

Sci-Fi and Space Opera:
James T. Kirk, Star Trek
Jayne Cobb, Firefly
Badger, Firefly
Captain Hammer, Dr. Horrible’s Sing-Along Blog
Biff Tannen, Back to the Future
Captain Jack Harkness, Doctor Who (and I’m guessing Torchwood, though I haven’t watched it)
Cato, The Hunger Games

TV Shows:
Fiona Glenanne, Burn Notice
Joey Tribbiani, Friends
Abby Sciuto, NCIS*

Disney and Animated:
Aladdin
Peter Pan
John Smith, Pocahontas
Lightning McQueen, Pixar’s Cars
Mushu, Mulan
Iago, Aladdin
Lumiere, Beauty and the Beast
Gaston, Beauty and the Beast
Timon, The Lion King
Cruella De Vil, 101 Dalmatians
Rainbow Dash, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic
Strong Bad, Homestar Runner
Bender, Futurama
Bob Parr/Mr. Incredible, Pixar’s The Incredibles
King Fergus, Pixar’s Brave
Princess Fiona, Shrek
Sokka, Avatar: The Last Airbender
Stitch, Lilo and Stitch*
Gosalyn Mallard, Darkwing Duck
Monterey Jack, Chip ‘n’ Dale Rescue Rangers
Tigger, Winnie the Pooh*
Wilbur, The Rescuers Down Under
McLeach, The Rescuers Down Under

Other Iconic Characters:
Animal, The Muppets
Rizzo the Rat, The Muppets
Cookie Monster, Sesame Street*
Marian Ravenwood, Indiana Jones: Raiders of the Lost Ark

ENFP Costume Ideas

Source

 

 

Comic Book Characters:
Agent Phil Coulson, The Avengers
Fone Bone, Bone*

Fantasy, Harry Potter and LoTR:
Bilbo Baggins, The Hobbit and LoTR
Wesley Wyndam-Pryce, Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel
Rene, Twilight

Sci-Fi and Space Opera:
Hoban “Wash” Washburne, Firefly
The Eleventh Doctor, Doctor Who
Marty McFly, Back to the Future
Johnny Five, Short Circuit
Wheatley, Portal 2

TV Shows:
John Watson, BBC’s Sherlock
Cory Matthews, Boy Meets World
Michael Scott, The Office

Disney and Animated:
Genie, Aladdin
Flounder, The Little Mermaid
Jessie, Toy Story
Dr. Delbert Doppler, Treasure Planet*
LeFou, Beauty and the Beast
Spike, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic
Po, Kung Fu Panda
Mickey Mouse
Winnie the Pooh
Prince Charming, Cinderella
Michael Darling, Peter Pan
Tinkerbell, Disney’s Fairies*
Bowler Hat Guy, Meet the Robinsons*
Charlie Brown, Peanuts*

Other Iconic Characters:
Elmo, Sesame Street
Nacho Libre*

ESFP Costume Ideas

Source

 

 

Comic Book Characters:
Harley Quinn, Batman
Smiley Bone, Bone

Fantasy, Harry Potter and LoTR:
Peregrin “Pippin” Took, LoTR
Nymphadora Tonks, Harry Potter*
Wormtail, Harry Potter*

Sci-Fi and Space Opera:
Kaylee Frye, Firefly

TV Shows:
Phoebe Buffay, Friends

Disney and Animated:
Prince Naveen, The Princess and The Frog
Dory, Pixar’s Finding Nemo
Crush the Turtle, Pixar’s Finding Nemo
Mater, Pixar’s Cars
Pinkie Pie, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic
Donkey, Shrek
Hal Stewart/Tighten, Megamind
Ron Stoppable, Kim Possible
Scuttle, The Little Mermaid
Smee, Peter Pan
Pumba, The Lion King
Launchpad, Darkwing Duck
The Fairy Godmother, Cinderella*
B.E.N., Treasure Planet
Fender, Robots
Dale, Chip ‘n’ Dale Rescue Rangers
Ty Lee, Avatar: The Last Airbender
King Bumi, Avatar: The Last Airbender
Bolin, Avatar: The Legend of Korra

Other Iconic Characters:
Big Bird, Sesame Street
Fozzie Bear, Sesame Street

*Added later

My personal apologies to the types that are grossly underrepresented in our media, but I wasn’t about to do what most sites do and say characters were the types *I* wanted them to be just for a pinnable infographic or to feel better about myself.  I tried desperately to find more examples for the less common fictional types, especially INFP, before posting this, even submitting myself to the agony that was Googling for fictional character typings.  It’s an eye-bleeding last resort that didn’t turn up anything anyway because everything I found was not only grossly mistyped, but I could start my own game show and showcase each week, “What Your Mistyping Says About You!” where I could tell you what each person was trying to prove through suggesting the characters were the types they wanted them to be.  Unfortunately, there would be far too many to showcase and each one would rip out my soul and stomp on it a bit, so I suggest we move along instead. 😀

Jilted Bride ~ Halloween 2006 ~ My skirt was a white
trash bag, but I think it looked pretty good

INFP, even though you are badly represented, I <3 each of your examples! 🙂  You can’t *not* love Fluttershy, Luna Lovegood or Waaaaaall-E.  Seriously.  And you can always go with your Paradoxitype, ENTJ, because they tend to be a Hollywood darling.  Not that I really have anything to complain about personally; can’t say I mind that ENTP list.

As you pick what you want to be for Halloween… or a Tuesday… don’t forget your options of changing genres, like going steampunk or modern with a character, or gender-swapping a character.  A girl version of Flynn Rider is *so* in my costuming future.

And if that’s not enough options for you, feel free to be a character of a different personality type or something else entirely, like jilted bride or a giant box of french fries.  Whatever you choose, strut well my friend.  And send me pictures! 😀

Box of French Fries ~ Halloween 2005 ~ Sixteen was probably too old to Trick or Treat, but nobody seemed to mind 🙂

 

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Today I have for you a typing that is particularly special to me.  Not only is Marble Hornets my very favorite webseries ever, but it is in fact one of my favorite things to watch ever.  I have to say right now, I’ve never liked horror before in my life.  Why is Marble Hornets different?  It’s all about personality.

“we didn’t want to go, we didn’t want to kill them,
but its persistent silence and outstretched arms horrified and comforted us at the same time…”
One of the original Slenderman photos by Something Awful user Victor Surge.

If you’ve spent much time on the meme end of the internet in the last couple of years, it’s likely that you’ve come across Slenderman, even if you were unaware of it (yay unintentional jokes!  ~Shiver~).  Who… or what, is Slenderman?

Well, while the long answer is the subject of quite a few webseries, memes and video games; the short answer is that he’s a modern-day oral legend, the kind that used to take decades or centuries to be passed down through generations until they became more about the emotion they evoked than about the details themselves.  Except, while the Slender-tale sounds like it was passed down by German grandmothers who wanted to teach naughty children a lesson, in truth it was created by a bunch of people on a thread who were playing with photoshop and having fun freaking themselves out.  What makes this awesome is that Slenderman was the one that caught on initially, because of certain emotions he evokes (more on this when I type *him* below) and was honed even further into all our fears, right on the internet.  My INFJ, who introduced me to the series, loves to geek about how cool this is, myths of the potency that would usually take generations to form can now be created in weeks or months just because so many of us can be gathered together in one place!  Yay internets!!! 😀

But while Marble Hornets isn’t the only show in town, it is hands-down the best.  It has a beautifully intimate feel that makes you both relate to the fantastic characters (which we’ll get to) and means you can’t help wondering if maybe someone is looking in your windows.  And yet, there’s both a grandeur and a simplicity to the thing.  It makes you feel like maybe all of what makes humanity matter, swings in the balance between a being with no face, some men in masks and a guy with a camera just trying to figure the whole thing out.  I hated it until I loved it.

So once again, when Slenderman is all the kewl online, what makes Marble Hornets so powerful?  Why when other versions add details and explanations to the Slender-legend that end up taking the wind out of him instead of making him feel the like personification of evil itself, MH is able to hit a home-run every time?  Well, I give that credit to its creators, especially Troy Wagner, who also plays its protagonist, Jay.  Though the series is expertly written by Troy Wagner, Joseph DeLage, Tim Sutton and Kirill Baru, follow the series and the behind-the-scenes for a little while and it becomes pretty evident this is Troy’s baby and he *really* cares about where the plot is going.  His story’s not going to be half-A.

Troy Wagner, Creator of Marble Hornets
“I think something we usually try to work towards is ‘come for the scares, stay for the story.'”

INFJ is the principles-master.  They loooove anything numinous, of universal significance or… some other synonym for stuff that stretches the mind toward infinity.  This makes them absolutely splendiferous at writing themes, seeing the end from the beginning and, especially important with Slenderman, or “The Operator” as MH coined, they are excellent at writing villains that live up to expectations because they *understand* real evil and what makes it dark.  IMHO, the entire success of the Marble Hornets series hinges on the fact that Troy *gets* it!

He understands what makes Slenderman scary.  He understands that fear comes from what it represents rather than “well, this sounds cool” details.  Just as any story says “I believe the world is this way,” a villain is the author telling the audience, “everything this guy represents is not only untrue, but just as dangerous as he is.”  Sell your villain short and you end up saying maybe his ideas weren’t so bad; make your villain legendary, and he’ll not only leave them satisfied, but carry your theme home with haunting recall.

Every time we watch any MH, my INFJ will repeatedly say variations on, “They keep doing everything right!  You expect it to fall flat and then it just doesn’t!” and frequent geekery about how the a/v distortion perfectly makes you feel like there’s an evil force closing in on you and what about the Operator’s form makes him so scary.  His excited tangents make watching the episodes take longer, but it’s in exchange for him holding my hand whenever there is distortion, so I don’t mind too much.  Plus geekery makes me squee.  And seriously, I’ve rarely seen him geek over anything more.

Here’s the introduction (just intriguing exposition, so you can try it on even if you’re too scared to watch the good stuff).

And here’s a trailer for the whole series; the amazing music video was made by YouTube user LadyTubbington and my INFJ added the text to make it into a trailer.  Also check out LadyTubbington’s “This is War” MH music video, because it’s hard-core.  I wanted to embed the trailer, but with copyright bs, it’s not like that was going to happen.

***WARNING!!  Spoilers Ahoy!!!!!***  If you want to start watching from the beginning, check out Entry #1 and the in-character Twitter feed (but close your eyes and scroll all the way down!!).  You’re in for epicness.

{This post was posted between Entries #74 and #75, with an update after Entry #84.}

Jay

“But we’re not giving up.  We’ve done too much to just quit now.”
 

Like the show’s creator, the protagonist Jay is a J!  Haha!  Okay, bad joke.

He may not be the most action-based or genre savvy hero out there (and I love the idea of Troy writing his own character making stupid decisions on the fly), but Jay cares.  In typical INFJ fashion, he thinks that if he doesn’t do something about the Operator, no one else will… which in his case is probably true.  Jay’s journey to stop the Operator starts with mere curiosity, accidentally stumbling onto him in his friend Alex Kralie’s old film project tapes, but as Jay realizes just how dire the whole scenario is, it becomes his self-driven mission to see the whole thing through to its end.   Even when he has to go it alone, Jay stays focused on finding answers for the good of even those who don’t want to be saved.  He’s chivalrous, not only toward Jessica, one of the few girls in the series (I ship <3!), but in the way he tries to save both Alex and Tim at different times, to less than appreciation.  His biggest mistakes, as IJ’s tend to be, are character judgments, and trusting the wrong person nearly costs him his life on multiple occasions.

Though sometimes his only plan is his end goal, i.e. “Find Alex,” “Find Jessica,” or “Get the heck out of here,” Jay knows intuitively which direction to go in and that “hunch” lets him know which step is next… even if he has no clue which step is after that.  Sometimes he has to wait for weeks or even months before another breadcrumb will arrive, but when he sees it, he knows it.  He doesn’t always believe it will turn out okay, but he knows he’s got to try.

 

We see over and over throughout the series that Jay’s biggest fear is that he’s not making any difference at all, or worse, that he’s causing the damage in the lives around him.  Alex, Tim and totheark even suggest this on different occasions and even as Jay defends himself against their claims, we can tell he fears they’re right.  What if he should have just let things lie?  What if he should have just gone about his business like everyone else and ignored the things he’d seen?  This fear is nearly universal in INFJ’s that fight for what they know is right despite their Hercules Syndrome.  But as an audience, we can tell there is more to this picture; instinctively we know that Jay is right not to quit.  Even if we don’t know how everything is going to turn out, we can see it’s valor, not idle curiosity or over-idealism driving Jay to see this through.

Alex Kralie
“I told you not to follow me!”

It’s interesting to me that with all the characters, though the Operator changes the way they act, even to the point that their actions are entirely not their own, even then the characters are still the same people.  There’s a major theme in MH that you may not be you, but you still determine who you are when you’re not you… does that make any sense?  This is something to remember with Alex Kralie (and also comes in again below).  Though Alex starts out in Part One as the victim of the series, just a guy who wanted to make a crappy indie film, terrified to find this “Thing” stalking him and changing his behavior; he comes back in Part Two as a guy in charge, action-hardened and in control… though more than meets the eye.  But all throughout the series, be it in the early filming of “Marble Hornets,” the film within the film, or in later, darker times, Alex is such a to-the-point INTJ.

His interactions with Jay, especially have a “Do what I say, no questions” attitude to them that, while neither exclusive nor necessarily an INTJ trait, often follows INTJ’s who are afraid of losing control.  When they feel they don’t have the freedom to work *with* people, INTJ’s may work at or around others… which honestly may be necessary sometimes.  People can be more moronic than we give them credit for; INTJ’s are often keenly aware of this.  For Jay, who is doing his best, Alex’s authoritarian approach gets old fast; though Alex has a point sometimes about Jay’s approach too.  One of everyone’s favorite exchanges of the series:

Alex:  “What were you doing a couple miles in the woods?”
Jay:  “I don’t know. I was tired of waiting on you because you didn’t tell me what time you were gonna be here.  Then, you know, I thought I’d take a look around while I was waiting, and I got kinda lost I guess.”
Alex:  [Sardonically] “You got lost in woods you’ve never been in.”
Jay:  “Yes.”

or this one:

Alex: “Jay, I’m only going to ask you this once.”
Jay: “What?”
Alex:  “Did you take anything from my apartment other than the tape?”
Jay:  “What do you mean?”
Alex:  “I mean, did you *successfully* steal something from me?”

I love watching clips of Alex from the time when they were making the student film, because he’s such a normal INTJ.  It’s still his movie and he still has a vision for the whole thing (albeit, maybe not the best vision in the world), but he’s just a regular guy having fun with his friends and mucking around.  It’s this human/inhuman dichotomy that makes Alex such a complex character and makes us love him in a similar way to how everyone loves Loki from The Avengers (also INTJ as it happens).  This makes it all the more tragic as we realize how far he’s come from being himself.

Tim

“Imagine waking up one morning in the backseat of your car, miles away from home with blood in your hair and you have no idea how that happened… Shut-up!  I’m not a psychopath!”

Since I was a little girl, my biggest fear has been not being in control of my mind, decisions or emotions; of not being me.  This manifested in different fears from my hate of Spy Kids because I was terrified of the idea of being turned into something and not being able to turn back, my “Black Bug” dream, where my friends were being taken over by a bug that would turn their faces ashen and get them to attack me, until finally at the end of the dream I felt my own limbs leaving my control, to the many narratives I wrote, that on review all included the phrase “she hated crying.”

I bring these memories up as a way to help the other types understand that as ENTP’s, our entire lives center and specialize around becoming who we want to be.  The thing we bring to the table in a way no other type can is seeing individual potential; i.e., we know exactly what we can be, given our intentions which we are more consciously and decisively aware of than any other type.  To have those intentions robbed from us, out of our control so we’re not even ourselves anymore is like losing our own personal war and all that made our lives matter.  So you see why losing huge chunks of memory and finding out you did frightening things you had no control over during those blank patches, may truly be the biggest nightmare an ENTP could ever encounter.  Story of Tim’s life.

 

Tim, at first glance, may not even look like an ENTP; he’s gotten the crap end of the ‘Verse-stick, and it shows.  But that’s part of what makes Tim such a compelling character, I think.  ENTP’s vulnerable side is often obscured by the personas we’re so incredibly proud of, and while we *love* experiencing people, observing their emotions and making them squirm, we feel a lot safer experiencing others’ emotions than our own.  In MH, we get to see the complex inner battle going on inside the character Tim, a battle he probably wouldn’t show us, given a choice.  I swear, seeing a strong guy break down and cry has to be one of the most moving, heartbreaking sights ever.  But in writing this, I realize, it’s something I need to let myself do more often.  But like I said, “she hated crying.”

Tim has desperately longed for ages, as ENTP’s do, for his actions to reflect what he knows deep down he really is… extra hard when you’re being mind-controlled by an Eldritch Abomination.  But after getting over his “be a good little Tim and move on” stage, he really comes into himself as one of the heroes of the series.  There comes a time, as there does with Jay, that Tim decides he’s not just going on the defence anymore; he’s going to fight this thing that’s ruined most of his life.  It doesn’t matter if he doesn’t make it out alive; he’s done being a pawn.  He’s going to be Tim, no matter what.

Jessica

“You’re not acting like a normal person…”
 

Though pretty much everyone in MH starts out as an innocent civilian, Jessica really exemplifies that role.  The poor thing just cared about her missing roommate and ended up being almost murdered, losing seven months of memory and is currently lost… somewhere.

She breaks down the fourth wall and reminds us just how weird Jay seems if you’re not in on what’s happened to him the past several years.  Also, being an E, she’s not quite as much in her own head as Jay, so she thinks ahead about coming up with an alibi for why she’s staying in a hotel she doesn’t remember checking into.  Her EJ also helps her notice the implications of Jay’s actions, like why he’s bringing groceries into a hotel (just picked up on the line “Are you like some kind of hotel hermit?”) or the fact that he’s changed his own alibi three times.

Jessica:  “First you tell me some stupid thing about a hotel documentary and then you tell me your house is being renovated?  But *then* you told me your job was being relocated! What is going on?!”

Yeah, good job, Jay.

Though she doesn’t have much screentime, Jessica gives a greater sense of reality to the whole story (just like Tim being able to Google the series) and her girl-next-door (literally, in fact 😉 ) demeanor helps us apply the fear of the whole scenario afresh to ourselves.  She also gives Jay something else to fight for as his resistance is growing thin.  As Part Three begins, Jay has to go on, even under the fear that it’s his fault Jessica is missing, because he knows it’s not just himself he’s defending.

Hoody
Alex: “Wipe that stupid smile off your face!”

Named for his anonymous apparel, “Hoody,” is fearless, adaptive as water, totally unnerving, and yet somehow playfully charming.

He may act more like The Joker, an INTP who can pull silent strings, happy to mock and ready to change tactics at the first whisper of need, but it seems in purpose, he’s really a Dark Knight.  Hoody is the kind of hero that nobody wants but everyone needs.  He moves behind the scenes, always watching, ready to be there to stand in the Operator’s way; thankless and alone.  In a lot of ways, Hoody seems like the only person who really knows what’s going on, somehow able to keep a hold of himself and act against the Operator at the same time.

But who is this masked vigilante?  Well, since we saw Masky unmasked in Part Two, it’s hardly a leap in logic to think maybe Hoody could be someone we’ve already seen.  That’s pretty much confirmed in Entry #68, when Alex was obviously unsurprised to see him without his mask on.

As a sidenote, theories that Hoody is one of the girls are hugely prevalent.  While those theories make me giggle, I think a basic anatomy lesson can teach us that this is not how a woman walks:

 

 

I mean seriously, not even if we *try.*  There are like hips and crap going on, people!  Not to mention there’d have to be some well-bound business up top.  Just… no.  And if I’m wrong about that part, I’ll give you $20.
( 😉 had to mention it somewhere, right?)

Having that narrowed down for us, it’s really between Brian and Seth.  While Unfiction really seems to <3 Brian in the matter, I really think it’s Seth.  Even though we only see Seth’s face twice in the series thus far, his personality really seems like an INTP.  We can tell in Entry #9 how much he resents Alex telling him off for not leaving the camera on.   The glare he gives the camera (a very T look) is classic, but he keeps his annoyance to himself in a very IP way.  In Entry #22, when Seth gets taken, this image appears on the tape.  It looks an awful lot like Hoody’s frowny face to me.

It also seems the series is written in a very subtle way; important clues are mentioned, but just once or twice.  In story in general, the best plot-twists are things that serve their own purpose and yet don’t draw attention to themselves, so when their importance is revealed your brain makes the connections and everything just clicks.  Seth just being mentioned here and there and barely shown seems like one of those subtle hints.

My heart goes out to Hoody who, as of entry #73, seems to be losing it and in dire need of help.  As we ramp up toward the finale, the stakes are getting higher.  Hoody is sure to be a major part of how the rest goes down.

{After Entry #84 Spoiler Update:

Well, darn.  I got that one wrong 😉  It’s also looking likely that I got my Jay theory from the TTA section wrong as well, but it was a cool idea anyway.  Granted, with the number of snack-breaks Brian took in flashbacks, we probably should have known.  Fwiw, we facial-typed Brian as an INFP, not an ISFP as I previously thought, which makes the “Fs going into T battle-mode” principle I talk about in the TTA section apply to Brian when in Hoody-mode.  So there you go 😉

Oh, and he’s not a woman.

<3 Calise

Spoiler finished!  Well… post #84 Spoiler over 😉}

“LOOK AT YOU
YOU ARE WHO YOU ARE
YOU ARE YOU
BUT WHO ARE YOU
WHO ARE YOU
0000000000000000″

So once upon a time, a guy named Jay starts posting these videos of his friend being stalked by the Operator on YouTube, most of which, at that time, were taken during the filming of the student film “Marble Hornets.”

One day, he posts Entry #9, which shows cast members Tim, Sarah and Seth for the first time, along with Alex, who is acting really weird and being a butt.  Shortly after these characters are introduced, a YouTube account called totheark starts posting responses (starting with one suspiciously named “Regards”) that seem like somebody was on acid while making them.  As terrifying as Jay’s entries get, it’s the totheark vids that I refuse to watch at night.  Seriously O_o.  But as you watch, it seems maybe there’s more going on in these videos than someone not-so-right in the head… though that’s certainly the case too.

Okay, theory-time!  Spoilericious and questionable… but having to do with personality types, so I’d consider it fairly informed.  If you’re not caught up on the series, this section may make absolutely no sense whatsoever (besides the aforementioned spoilers), so skip to The Operator section if any of that bothers you.

Why aren’t Hoody and totheark under the same heading by this point?  Well Jay himself said it seems like multiple people are making the totheark videos.  And as the screenshots to the right show, there are yet others to be unmasked.

Screenshot compilation compliments of Unfiction user
Serum, the Tim addict who coined the phrase
“Tim = Sex,” an ENTP’s life ambition.

So who is totheark?  Well, a fairly popular theory is that TTA is the members of the “Marble Hornets” film cast.  A less popular theory, which I just *love*, brings out factors that are often overlooked.  It’s clear early on that at times Masky is filming, then later we see Hoody filming; but we’ve seen five different masks.  Before we even assign them, let’s count:  Brian, Tim, Seth, Sarah… it doesn’t make sense to be Alex, so who does that leave?  Jay.

Often, when a TTA entry goes up, and usually whenever Jay’s accounts get hacked, Jay mentions beforehand things like feeling sick, not sleeping and having bad dreams, the same kind of symptoms Tim mentioned to his doctor.  Tim even says in Entry #72 that what Jay is experiencing is “the way it started for [him].”  Jay has been shown to be a less than reliable narrator, not on purpose, but because *huge* chunks of his memory go missing.  There are lots of times filming “Marble Hornets” he’s seemed to forget; he only remembers the first half of Entry #71, and at time of writing, we’ve just seen Jay totally lose even his own identity for weeks.  I’m not for a moment saying Jay is the only “member” of TTA.  That just wouldn’t line up with the history of the series or the TTA videos.

Though the early entries would suggest that Jay was barely involved with the student film, the clips from back then show him a lot, he says in Entry #20 that he’s the script supervisor, he’s in the trailer for the student film and we find out he doesn’t even remember a lot of time spent on the film.  In Entry #22, after Seth is taken, Alex states that they were the last two left and specifically mentions Jay as one of the ones who is “gone.”  After seeing what happens to Jay in Entry #71, is it a difficult jump to make that Jay was involved with the whole Operator situation, long before he remembers?  TTA’s video “Attention” just seems to point to Jay’s involvement all the more, telling him “Return to us” and “Wake up,” in the same font he usually uses for the entries.  Jay says he doesn’t like the term “us,” and the creators don’t usually point specific things out like that unless they’re important.  TTA is calling him back to battle.

The thing is, the masks convey personality in and of themselves.  The second mask above, the Masky mask, screams ENTP; as scary as it is in context, the big, dark lips, the eye shape and the raised, retrospectively goofy eyebrows really fit with Tim Sutton’s personality.

 

 
 
 

Hoody’s big, ironic-looking frowny face fits with his mocking, adaptive INTP actions… and also fits with the short period of time you see Seth.  The top mask seems to fit with Brian’s quietly adaptive go-with-the-flow ISFP personality with the smaller mouth shape and angle of the eyebrows (and seems to fit his body-type better than Hoody).  The third looks feminine and its soft, haunted quality would really fit with a battle-beaten version of Sarah who I’m fairly sure is ESFJ.

One of Troy’s drawings.
His drawing style really matches Skully’s teeth, especially here.
Interestingly enough, this face is pasted over a character he voiced.

But then that leaves the last mask, the skull or “Skully” as a lot of the fans call it.  If I were to pick which mask an INFJ who draws strange and O_o doodles all the time would have designed for himself… yeah I’d have to go with the bottom one.  I like to picture the three creators sitting at a table with masks and sharpies and Tim, who is in love with his eyebrows, making grapefruit sounds while drawing his mask and Troy thinking, “Hey, who needs lips?  Big skeleton teeth, that’s the way to go.”  The fact that the last mask’s eyes look wider-set, may or may not be a factor…

Just like I talked about in the Alex section, there’s a major theme here of *still* being the same person, even under the Operator’s influence.  In some ways that makes the Operator so much scarier, because it’s like you’re there enough to be aware of how it’s twisting you, but you’re not yourself enough to do anything about it.

TTA seems like the members of “Marble Hornets” who were enough under the influence of the Operator to become disassociated with their own personalities, to be seriously messed in the head and not remember later what they’d been doing, but are enough themselves to be able to fight the Operator’s influence and do something about him.  (Some of the time–not like when Masky attacks Jay; that seems pretty Operator influenced.)

TTA as a whole acts like an INTJ; the plan of action regardless of others’ actions, which IJ’s excel at, abstract to the point of what-the-crap, and interpreting the world based on facts and objects, rather than people, in a T sort of way.  But it makes sense to me for the leader of TTA to be an INFJ who has disassociated his personality enough that he acts like a T, as is common for especially IF’s to do in times of duress.  Although TTA is cold, harsh and unyielding in a T sort of way, he/they keeps bringing things back to principles (discussed more in the Operator section); an INFJ’s bread and butter.  And *someone* at TTA inc. was directing Masky and Hoody to do things in some of the TTA videos.  Somehow the idea of it being disassociated Jay just fits.

Until recent entries, Jay seemed remarkably resistant to the Operator.  But after years of trying to fight its influence, his Frodo-eque struggle (also INFJ) is not only understandable but archetypal.  Sometimes an INFJ has to carry the burden, fighting alone, long enough to find a friend who will carry them when they just can’t carry themselves anymore.  But I believe that Jay will have the strength within him, not alone of course, to throw off the Operator’s influence and be himself in the end.

The Operator, Slenderman

[that’s where the tape ends]

So what it comes down to: why is a tall guy dressed in a suit with no face so very scary anyway?  I mean, sure there’s the whole mind-controlling, distorting, stalking, teleporting, changing time type things he does.  But why not a giant octopus that does those things?  Or a naked tall man with no face?  I mean something that white coming toward you would be pretty dang freaky, right?  What does Slenderman represent in our psyches that keeps his myth ongoing?  What’s special about Marble Hornets‘ Operator that makes him stick out from the crowd?

Well, I want to start with the suit.  There’s the obvious; the subtle sophistication and a suit implying intelligence… and control.  totheark’s videos are filled with images of children in black-and-white being towered over by disapproving adults, making the watcher feel small and helpless.  They hearken back to an authoritarian mindset that is so dangerous in its desire to control at the expense of choice, and the humanity behind choice.  Free will is messy.  Men in suits come when you’ve been “bad”; they come whether you want them to or not.  But who are you to say they’re wrong?  You’re just a child and they’ve always been there, towering over you, ready to take the thing that is you away.

Which brings us to the faceless factor.  Along with the Operator’s personal lack of facial features, his symbol is a huge factor in the series.  Best described as an O with an X through it, the Operator Symbol isn’t just used to show where he’s been etc., it’s used repeatedly as a symbol of losing one’s self.  In TTA vids, the symbol crosses out eyes and faces over and over, crossing out circles like it’s slowly taking over everyone, making them all faceless shells like the Operator.

 

And what makes the Operator different from other versions of Slenderman?  Well, for one, the Operator is so understated.  He doesn’t even resort to tentacles, the way most versions do, to get across the power and creepiness of Slenderman.  He doesn’t even need a pantheon of slaves or cultists to get his bidding done.  He can just appear, stand there, tilt his head to one side, and you’ll crap bricks.  His not needing sidekicks or obvious methods of fighting (other than mind-screw) makes him seem so apart from mankind, looking down on humanity like little ants that he can play with.

 

But why ISTJ?  How can you tell a character’s type when they don’t even say anything?  Well, the easiest part to tell is IJ, as IJ’s are the ones that act and set their plans in motion without needing any external feedback.  The idea of the Operator needing to consult with others before going into motion seems preposterous, and totally against his all-seeing, dominating nature.

It’s clear that the Operator sees people for the use he can put them to, rather than their meaning, in the way that T’s utilize things situationally and not primarily in reference to the big-picture.  His expressionless visage is just a symbol of how calculating and emotionless he acts, in a way only ITJ’s can cloak their emotions and separate their actions from feeling, so completely.  That’s the number one reason that ITJ’s are waaaay over-represented as villains; their ability to act and not care, or at least conceal any appearance of caring, about how their actions affect others’ emotions.  Like I’ve said before, this can be a strength if there is something that needs standing up for… or it can make a villain who will stop at nothing to reach their objective, refusing to react to their victims’ pitiful cries.

 

The unhealthy version of any type always has the same unhealthy trademarks.  A trademark of unhealthy ISTJ’s is protecting dangerously unhealthy worldviews in the name of justice, instead of protecting what’s actually good about the world, as healthy ISTJ’s excel at doing, making unhealthy ISTJ’s the archetype of bad authority.  While an unhealthy INTJ may push an unhealthy world vision on others, it’s the unhealthy ISTJ’s that excel at making you feel like their worldview was always there, like it spans all time and existence and yet that that means you as yourself have absolutely no place in that world and must forgo control for the greater good.

This is not just a fictional problem.  It speaks to us because it’s an archetype.  No matter what your belief system, chances are this mentality is trying to slither in amongst the ideals you hold dear, so that you’ll protect it with your life.  Humans are the best foot-soldiers of dehumanization.  It’s just as scary to stand up against real life dehumanization as it would be to stand up to a faceless being who has the power to take away who you are.  It’s so tempting to just look the other way, pretend that dehumanization isn’t stalking you and convince yourself that you’re the only one who sees it.

But we see it everywhere now. It’s in the little things; the fake smiles and the shaken fingers; the way people feel like their boss owns them and like our government is not our own. It’s in the way we fear, anywhere and everywhere, to say what we really think and believe because all people listen to anymore are buzzwords, advertising and crap politics.  And yet, even though we *all* see these problems (and you’d have to be really oblivious not to), so few of us feel like we can do anything about it.  We feel like we might as well be a child in the woods with a tall, faceless man leaning over us and nowhere to run, as if our little legs could carry us as fast as his long reach could stretch.

But the answer is simple.  Be a little more human.  Be a little more genuine; let yourself be weak and let things be real.  Because in the end, the fight to be yourself is the only one you stand a chance of winning.  And it’s no coincidence that that is the only thing that can win against a status-quo that pretends it has been there forever and like there is no puny little human that could ever take it down.  Because in the end, an ITJ villain’s greatest weakness is not taking into account just what power one little human can hold.

I, for one, hope that the series is going to a positive conclusion.  It seems like the entire thesis of the series is that the only way to really fight evil is by keeping a hold of who you are, no matter what happens, like that’s the only battlefield that really counts.  If the ending says you can’t really do that, that no matter how hard you try evil wins, it would seem to say Jay was wrong for even trying, like he should have been a good boy and taken his Youtube channel down, left Tim alone and stopped looking harder.  It would say that humanity isn’t really worth the fight.  While that may be a good enough ending for a crappy student film, I don’t think it’s good enough for the true Marble Hornets.

troyhasacamera

Troy Wagner, Joseph DeLage and Tim Sutton; quintessential facial expressions of an INFJ, ENFP and ENTP respectively.
 

I have another “once upon a time.”  Once there were three best friends whose bromance would be legendary.  Troy Wagner, Joseph DeLage and Tim Sutton; together they would form the mighty Trosephim!  One day, Troy said to Joseph, “Hey Joseph, I’m bored.  Want to make a movie… want to make a movie in the park?  We could do it in abandoned buildings.  We could get arrested.”  And Marble Hornets was born.  But on the other days, Troy still had a camera and sometimes the funniest people are the ones who understand meaning; so, the thing to behold that is troyhasacamera was born.

Including classics like “Troy Shaves His Face,” “Joseph Listens to Jazz,” and “Tim Opens a Present,” the channel is an entirely different duck than Marble Hornets, may ruin your immersion and isn’t for the faint of heart.  But bringing us gems like “Troy Moves Out,” seen above, it’s really a necessary part of the Marble Hornets experience.

 

Troy Wagner, troyhasacamera

“That’s not how you say something!”

I keep saying over and over on this blog that INFJ’s are one of the most misunderstood types.  If that wasn’t the case, I don’t think my INFJ – The Paladin post would have over twice the views of the next most popular Type Heroes post.  People really want to understand INFJ and I’m just not going to be modest or polite when I say most sites suck at understanding INFJ’s… and I don’t. 🙂  I bring that up because most people (including the kind of people who write personality websites), don’t expect INFJ’s to have the kind of hilariously goofy, “what did I just watch?!” sense of humor that Troy Wagner displays in troyhasacamera, as well as his twitter and other times OOG (outside Marble Hornets).

His humor is the funniest in the way it gets to the core of things and is able to find the kernel of truth behind any given scenario.  With Craig Digsby, for example, his parody of PBS educational show hosts, his body language communicates so much about what an outdoorsman the character *thinks* he is and how smart and on top of things he *thinks* he looks.  Even at their most ridiculous, the things Troy writes and draws always have an underlying element of bringing things back to why something is true or funny.  I love INFJ humor for how much it’s always able to surprise me.  They can look so serious or unassuming on the surface and yet when they open their mouths, something totally insightful and wonderfully strange comes out of it. 🙂

Troy is a great example of how being Introverted doesn’t mean being quiet or passive.  He can really own a room, even when he’s not saying anything.  He tends to lead from behind, smoothly and subtly maneuvering the conversation so the right overall picture comes across.  The other two tend to defer to him about the vision behind projects (both the serious and the goofy) and they clearly trust and appreciate his special INFJ understanding of the overarching meaning in the world.

There are often loooong breaks between entries that Troy keeps apologizing for, and saying, “Okay, now I’ll get them out sooner… Okay, *now.*”  But the poor guy, as much as he wants to please other people, his intuition keeps getting in the way, telling him there are more important things to work on in the meantime.  INFJ’s should really trust that and not shove thumb-tacks in their eyes every time they “let someone down.”  Likewise, INFJ’s have such a tendency to cloak in normalcy, trying to say “Hey, I’m just like you; please don’t hate me!”  Troy has such a handle on principles, a vision of what he’s doing and such an understanding of meaning, but yet seems too afraid to own it and say “Shut-up, I know what I’m doing.”  He seems like a super-healthy INFJ, and yet his Hercules Syndrome still seems alive and strong.  Though, believe me, I understand.

Joseph DeLage

“I know a grapefruit when I see one!”

Joseph DeLage is incredibly different from his character Alex… and yet not.  Joseph has an openness that’s much braver in a way than Alex.  Even at his goofiest, it’s hard to envision Alex Kralie making that ^ face.

 

Joseph is the picture of an ENFP Standard-Bearer, aimed to find individuals to rally around what could bring them meaning in their lives.  His twitter is the most PR-oriented of the three and even its description aims to get new people involved in the series, more so than Troy or Tim’s.  In interviews, Joseph seems completely in his element, enjoying connecting with the interviewers and his audience by being highly open and essentially saying “This is what we are; don’t you want this?  It’s open for anyone if you want to join in the experience.”  All the same, there is to-the-point maneuvering in everything Joseph says.  His openness, while genuine, is a calculated tactic to get desired results.

With INTJ being ENFP’s Paradoxitype, it makes sense that Joseph enjoys playing an INTJ so much.  It’s his hard-angled inside coming out and “speaking fist.”  I think ENFP’s are often underestimated for the complex thinkers they are.  While they love to bring people together on the same page and offer fantastic warmth and meaning to people, projects and causes, they really understand the conceptual and are great at making it happen when it’s something they care about.  When an ENFP understands their unique power and role in a group, they really can’t be stopped from applying their understanding of actions in general, to specific action and knowing exactly what to do.

It’s tempting for an ENFP to either require themselves to be some other type, like the INFJ’s they get along so well with, who put the meaning they love in such a concise way, or the hard-edged ENTP’s who have a slightly more cynical, practically over-confident version of the same bright bombasticism ENFP’s do.  But ENFP’s who try to be the other types sell themselves short in the areas in which they excel, and can end up looking foolish and forced, trying to be somebody else.  Likewise, the other extreme is for ENFP’s, very aware of their own tremendous self-worth, to require outside validation about everything they are.  It’s essential for an ENFP to learn not to need that, to have their own self-confidence be enough validation.  If an ENFP doesn’t know themselves, no external validation will ever be enough.

It’s tempting for a Standard-Bearer, whose focus is rallying everyone around the other types, specializing in understanding the tremendous meaning and significance behind all individuals, to want to be those individuals instead being themselves.  But Joseph doesn’t seem to do that.  He seems remarkably comfortable in his own skin, happy to be himself while supporting Troy and Tim in being themselves.

ENFP’s don’t need to feel pressured into being someone else, as much as they can appreciate others.  They can recognize that the way they enjoy and interact with the world is a unique and needed role that only they can fulfill.  They don’t have to do it someone else’s way.  Joseph is an original and we wouldn’t want him any other way.

Tim Sutton

“I’m saying these words with my face but I don’t think they’re working.”

 

Tim Sutton, like all healthy ENTP’s, is charming, suave and crazy.  And that’s the way we like it. 😉  Spend any time reading YouTube comments or Unfiction at all, and it quickly becomes apparent that Tim is a fan favorite.  Men bow and women swoon… it gets to be a little intense actually.  From a “Tim’s Too Sexy” response video and the Sutton Style version of “Troy Moves Out” (which is *very* fun and addictive to watch, btw), to the “Church of Suttonism” and him getting marriage proposals on twitter, it’s clear everyone loves Tim.

I think it’s in the uninhibited way he’s not afraid to turn everything up to eleven, and how he just owns whatever strange thing he’s doing at any given moment.  Of Tim’s “creative process,” Troy and Joseph have said the following:
Troy: It’s all very strange.
Joseph: It’s… very surreal.

He’s also living proof, along with these other fine ENTP gentlemen, that if I were a man I’d have epic sideburns.  It’s now fact.  Science!

 

The closest I’ve come was this beard in college.  I worked hard on those sideburns!  (I also had to walk home from class with a beard on my face in order to get pictures.)

Of course, if you think about the in-your-face, bold, “notice me!” effect huge chops have, I think being well-endowed has a fairly one-to-one ratio, right?  Though, then it would stand to reason that if ENTP men with epic sideburns were women… Okay, Calise, moving on now.  There will be other posts to discuss the inherent interest ENTP’s tend to have in *those* sorts of things.

 
 

 

I’ve read people compare goofy Tim Sutton to MH Tim, in a way that made them seem quite different.  People don’t see how the guy in pink roller-skates could be similar to the one having a breakdown in his bedroom or the one who feels like everything is his fault, and while I genuinely hope that’s *not* the way Tim feels irl, you can tell that beneath the splendiferous sideburns and grapefruit laugh, there’s a guy that cares deeply about real life stuff.  The kind of guy that would come up with a complex cleric character for his first D&D game for the joy of roleplaying it and then be bummed when heavy armor and complicated spells didn’t really fit the hack-and-slash gameplay (I very much relate as my first D&D game, I had this awesome mistress of disguise character who had to stand in the back and be lame when everything was made of zombie -_-).

Tim, as intensely over-the-top as he is in the comedy shorts or on his tumblr, in interviews he tends to be a lot more quiet, letting the other two lead the conversation and only adding the occasional precision-strike comment.  This is obviously not because he’s shy or because he isn’t thinking about anything (you can tell the wheels are always turning).  My guess is it’s divided between a P contentedness to just be there and be taking everything in, and a TP cynicism that has learned that unless they’ll be really appreciated, you keep your comments inside your own head where you know they’ll be understood and enjoyed.  Just because EP’s say a lot, doesn’t mean we say everything.

 

 

The truth is, while we love to be awesome and hilarious and alluring, for ENTP’s all that keeps us safe; a concept that may seem weird to a lot of the other types.  Not that it’s fake; it’s not.  It’s just that when we feel like everything we think, like and explore is bad, sometimes the only thing to do is embrace our Megamind Complex and do it all the more.  Even if we’re bad, we do it in style.  There’s a lot more to us than meets the eye, sideburns included.

Troy, Joseph and Tim have a fantastic dynamic that they seem to naturally fall into.  They don’t have to say, “Tim, be sexy wacky now;” the three of them just settle in comfortably to the place they want to be.  It’s this dynamic, in conjunction with Troy’s understanding of principles and the different sides of writing that I’m sure all three of them bring to the table, that makes Marble Hornets so powerful.  We care about the characters because *they* care about the characters.  We enjoy the journey because Troy, Joseph and Tim so obviously love making Marble Hornets.

The conclusion is sure to be epic.  And while it means I can no longer hang my white sun-hat on the back of my closet door, because in semi-darkness it looks like a large blank face leaning around a corner, the trip has been worth every jump, heart-attack and tingle down my spine.  At the end of the day, it’s all about people, and it’s a beautiful ride.

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Type Heroes: ENTP – The Swashbuckler https://alittlebitofpersonality.com/type-heroes-entp-the-swashbuckler/ https://alittlebitofpersonality.com/type-heroes-entp-the-swashbuckler/#comments Mon, 05 Aug 2013 14:11:00 +0000 http://www.alittlebitofpersonality.com/index.php/2013/08/05/type-heroes-entp-the-swashbuckler/ All the typings and observations in this post are based on definitions and information presented in the aLBoP Guided Tour 😀 So if any of it bugs you, please go read that before leaving me a grumpy comment… Or, you know what?  Let’s just skip the grumpy comments!  Have a nice day! <3 ENTP The […]

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All the typings and observations in this post are based on definitions and information presented in the aLBoP Guided Tour 😀 So if any of it bugs you, please go read that before leaving me a grumpy comment… Or, you know what?  Let’s just skip the grumpy comments!  Have a nice day! <3

ENTP
The Swashbuckler

“Never tell me the odds!”
Han Solo, Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back

The ENTP Swashbuckler does what works.  Adapting their plan, disregarding the rules and following their gut.  They may seem unpredictable because they’ll start fights sometimes, run from them others; be brutally honest one moment and charmingly secretive the next.  This is because they observe first and act later (as all EP’s do) and so they themselves might not know until the moment they decide (after they’ve observed as much information as possible) what they are going to do.  Often, while they figure it out, they’ll be making clever quips and banter.  This is a way to stall for time while they decide what to do, learn more about their opponent and surroundings from the reactions they receive… and enjoy just how clever they are.  And though rules aren’t always their cup of tea, you can be sure they follow their own code, which is usually doing whatever it takes to become the larger-than-life person they *want* to be.

Young ENTP’s start out with an insatiable desire to explore and quickly develop big, flashy dreams about what they’re going to be someday (pretty sure fairy was one of my earliest career goals).  They’re similar to INTJ’s in this way (well… and all the types in different ways), but ENTP’s focus on the way they want to be as a person instead of the things they want to get done.  ENTP’s favorite thing is people-potential so they care a lot more about how awesome they’re going to be and what they choose to do is an after-thought.  But this means since the ENTP loves to explore *all* the options and whatever works, they quickly feel and are often branded “bad” by the world and the people around them.  Often to this an ENTP will reply, “Well, if I’m bad, I’ll be the *best* at being bad!!”  In practice, the ENTP has three choices, much akin to their ESTP… brethren (? cousins, aunts, uncles?).

The first choice an ENTP has is to willfully rebel against other people, turning their cynicism over others’ unreasonability into an enmity of their own, resulting in disobeying rules and belittling others in order to justify their own wounded emotions and ego rather than out of any thought-out reason for doing so.  An ENTP choosing this spiteful path quickly loses their charm, only “beloved” by those trying to justify themselves in the same emotional areas.  Also, an ENTP who feels the need to lick their own wounds in this way is really requiring affirmation from the very people they hate, and ends up feeling even less confident, validated or good, the more that they fight.  This is the kind of mush-mouthed insecurity that ENTP’s roll their eyes at in other people.  Though they might be appalled to recognize they are taking that same kind of wimpy tack, sometimes wallowing is too comforting to give up without kicking and screaming.

Alternatively, it’s quite tempting for an ENTP to just fit in, label themselves bad before anyone else can, and spend the rest of their lives paying penance for everything they like, are and enjoy.  They may or may not be good at looking normal, but it’s likely they won’t be.  Whatever an ENTP might try, there will always be that desire to be just a little more flashy, have just a little more fun with the things that they love.  ENTP’s who suppress their desire to explore the world and to understand anything and everything it has to offer, may feel like it’s the right thing to try and please everyone, but, you see (and this was a recent eye-opener to me, believe me) the ENTP cannot care *about* others, as long as they care *what others think* of them.

Be it through cultural, family or peer pressure, if an ENTP is constantly trying to prove who they are, they won’t *be* it; end of story.  An ENTP that is worried about others’ opinions, even for good intentions, will be too afraid to let down the shield that protects their hidden vulnerable feelings.  If they need validation of who they are from others, they won’t feel free to be the royal-rainbow they truly are and will constantly be resenting others for not seeing them well enough, causing them to be cynical and close people out more.

But as they own themselves, even when others don’t appreciate their larger-than-life childlike bombasticism (Is bombasticism a word?  It is now!), then they are able to truly care about what is going on with others and help them shine in their own unique way.  When they choose to explore the world with all the spontaneity and confidence they already possess and yet feel guilty of, an ENTP can become a lighthouse of color, blasting out joy and self-assurance to everyone around them, unafraid of those who refuse to see the bright light they are.  As the very ENTP Tony Stark (Iron Man), puts it in The Avengers, “You’re tiptoeing, big guy.  You’ve gotta strut.”  This is the ENTP Swashbuckler.

The league of ENTP Swashbucklers is a who’s-who of charming and well-intentioned con-artists, thieves, smugglers, troublemakers, trolls, and seriously big hams.  How can all those things go with well-intentioned?  When a Swashbuckler breaks rules right and left, why do we still find them charming?  ENTP’s are cheaters whose out-of the-box thinking is based on whatever will reach their end goal; they excel at applying and adapting the tools in their observed arsenal to whatever new and unusual situation they might come up against.  Why can the Swashbuckler work outside the rules and establishment and yet still be so obviously good-hearted when other types doing the same action might come off creepy and self-justifying?  Because, in line with their greatest strength of character judgement, the Swashbuckler is excellent at seeing, understanding, and changing their own intentions.

Even if society shuns them or makes them feel like a bad person, deep down a Swashbuckler knows their intentions are good, that they are worthwhile, even if no one else can see it.  This helps instill in them a confidence that can’t be taken away, an intrinsic sort of thing that’s needed when others look down on them for not coloring in the lines.

All EP’s get told from birth by society that actions are a moral thing; make the wrong choice and you’re a bad person.  EP’s who naturally suck at choosing what action to take based on their intentions, often make choices that don’t reflect who they are at all and though they’ll probably notice quickly that it was the wrong choice and hopefully learn from their mistake, the guilt they’re given means the lesson their likely to learn is “you didn’t do it right; that makes you bad.”

In addition, ENTP’s have to work hard to be good at physical action, especially when they think too hard about specifics, rather than *being* what they want to look like.  A plan of action may make complete sense in an ENTP’s head, but when carried out, physics and their own bodies just aren’t on their side.  (Cue memories of trying to ride down the stairs in a laundry basket because I “thought it’d be cute.”  For the record, it was… it just hurt more than I anticipated.)  Like ENTP Socrates talking about the philosopher falling in the well, when an ENTP gets thinking about something, physical awareness may go out the window.  Thankfully, the Swashbuckler learns quickly to adapt to the mistakes they’re sure to make and can almost always fix a ploy gone awry.

ENTP’s are obsessed with understanding people and the way they tick, starting with themselves.  They intuitively feel and understand just how gorgeously complex and multifaceted people are and (whether they realize it or not) spend their entire lives trying to enjoy that complexity.  This is done in various ways, the most notable of which is poking it with a stick.  And by that I mean trying to shock and awe it out of its safe little cocoon by making it feel uncomfortable so that it does stuff.  Why do ENTP’s (ETP’s in their different ways) like to say things that are shocking?  What’s one reason (of several) for ENTP’s huge enjoyment of their own sex-appeal?  Well, in addition to enjoying their own complicated selves, which they are very keen on doing, ENTP’s love to make others squirm in order to observe and enjoy them.  People are funny, have so much more going on than they’re aware of and often take themselves much more seriously than they should.  ENTP’s love to poke at those kinds of insecurities to see what comes crawling out from under the rocks.  This isn’t malicious, it’s merely an attempt to understand, enjoy and utilize people to their fullest.

The Swashbuckler doesn’t do things halfway; they either don’t do something at all, or they make an ENTP-shaped hole in the wall.  This means that individuals often either love them or hate them, and either camp is likely to find them strange.  There is a wide range of “cool” versus “awkward” with an ENTP, both of which might demonstrate in the same person depending on the audience.  (Why, yes, I fall into both categories.  I’ve gotten fairly used to having very little filter system between my brain and my mouth.  Now I know how to own it.)  Though even a beloved Swashbuckler is likely to wish more people truly *knew* them.

In a group, though an ENTP has decent vision and can lead in a pinch, they’d much rather just be in charge of their own actions.  Naturally skeptical and needing to be won over, they’re unlikely to follow someone in a plan or mission if they don’t see the merit of the pursuit or the leader hasn’t won their respect as a source.  But when someone with vision, like a healthy IJ, earns their trust, they’re happy to concede the big-picture reins so that they can be free to focus on the parts they love; loophole exploiting, verbal sparring and self-aggrandizing… for the good of everyone, of course. 😉

Though Swashbucklers that exemplify what it means to be a “lovable rogue” (seriously, most the examples on that page are ENTP’s) are more common than rule-abiding ones, an ENTP only becomes a Dark Swashbuckler when they have bad motivations and don’t care.  Villainous ENTP’s may be just as charming, adaptive, personable and witty, but just like bad actions shouldn’t define a good ENTP, good actions can’t define one with bad intent.  Dark Swashbucklers don’t care what kind of person they are in reality anymore, so long as they achieve their goals toward *looking* great on the outside.

The constant struggle with worrying that they’re bad may make a well-meaning ENTP worry that the path to Hell is paved with good intentions.  But if a Swashbuckler constantly returns to the *why* behind their actions, they can realize that the path to true heroism (and awesomeness) lies in who you are deep down and that if an EP focuses on who they really want to *be,* they’ll figure the action stuff out eventually.

As Swashbuckler Miss Frizzle says, “Take chances, make mistakes, get messy.”  It’s the only way ENTP’s can really explore the world, people and themselves.

Swashbuckler or Dark Swashbuckler, a strong ENTP is likely to go big or go home and will do whatever it takes to reach their dreams of greatness.

Examples:
Male:  Malcolm Reynolds, Firefly
Female:  Disney’s Mulan
Villain:  Dark Helmet, Space Balls

Who are the Type Heroes?  Read the intro here, and stay tuned to meet them all!

Want more information on ENTP, the Swashbuckler?  Read their Cognitive Orientation Guidebook here.

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